June 6, 2010 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #591741
many of the american yeshivos in E.Y.have most of the summer as bein hazmanim. most of their boys will iy”h return to the usa.The nesyoinos are great & unfortunately many boys are at a great risk losing much of what they gained from their shana alef [& even bet], over this [too] long vacation.
Many of them look for apropiate jobs but are unsuccessful.
Perhaps a gemach of looking to hire can be set up [a web site or even as part of ywn] as this can save many neshomos [& also help with their tuition & spending $ for the coming yr. tizku lemitsvos!June 7, 2010 7:08 am at 7:08 am #860546mom12Participant
how about res-hab, camps are looking counselors…June 7, 2010 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #860547aries2756Participant
Why not set up chessed projects in hospitals and nursing homes? Try putting some of what they learned into practice, apply Torah to everyday life or prepare them for the future in the real world by taking a look at what reality is really like. A few lessons in humility wouldn’t hurt.June 7, 2010 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #860548
Eli, please understand where I am coming from:
There is a fire burning outside. In almost every shul there are unemployed people. When the father of the household is out of work it has a terrible effect on shalom bayis. Helping the unemployed baalei mishpacha is a more critical issue than giving a teen the year in Israel experience.
Unless the work is manual labor where the teen is physically exhausted, there are many hours in the night to party. As the supervisors working underneath me are instructed, “I don’t pay for nor value HARD work, I value SMART work. If the person can juggle his duties to do an hour work in 20 minutes, that person is using time wisely and can accomplish more and deserves a higher salary, than a hard working shlepper”. Jobs offered to teens are dead end jobs which don’t teach them what it means to work for a living.
Therefore, a fair alternative is to work with the teens to figure out what they plan on doing with their lives. If they have a desired profession, let them take two or three college courses. This will keep them occupied all day and most of the evening to study.
If they have no profession in mind, you have your work cut out foryourself. Take them to a career counselor for guidance and implement a plan for a realistic long term plan. As Rabbi Finkel here in Chicago says about helping teens, if you work on rebuilding the external things in life and put them on track for life, Yiddishkeit will come back too. Mapping out a plan is the first and surest way to be successful.
Working with rehabilitation of people is not for everyone. For every one employee who works out there are five that fail royally. If a person hurts the feelings of a client/patient of such a camp, there is nobody that person can ask mechilla from. Only the yechidei segulah should ever go into such a field. Those who do are truly gifted special people who I appreciate their devotion immensely.June 8, 2010 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #860549aries2756Participant
artchill in that case arrange for inernships when they get back. They can work hard and learn a lot while building a great resume to help them get into the college of their choice and get a good job when they get back.June 8, 2010 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #860550
Bidiyuk!!June 8, 2010 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #860551cherrybimParticipant
eli lev – I think one most obvious chillel hashem occurs bein hazmanim when bochrim come home and set up a minyan which is somewhat later than the regular shul minyan. So when people are going to work, they see the first wave of these young fellows on their way to minyan. Employers want workers to come on time and work. Those who are dependent on jobs for parnossa are generally able to abide by this rule. What about the bein hazmaners?June 8, 2010 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #860552gavra_at_workParticipant
They should go learn in Beis Medrish! They don’t have to pay tuition!
Gavra_at_WORKJune 8, 2010 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #860553
It’s the mindset!
Instead of being MEN almost ready to begin their own families, they are treated by society as BOYS. Instead of thinking hard about what they TRULY want to be when they start their own family, they repeat the starry eyed kollel forever response.
For some odd reason no one wants to wake them up that to make it in life you have to be able of working like productive members of society, any kollel that is not makpid on shemiras sedorim frankly has no right to be supported. Kollels must have policies similar to corporate America.
We have had our share of misunderstandings. Please clarify whether you were truthful or sarcastic.June 8, 2010 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #860554studentParticipant
How about college courses so that they will be prepared to work for a living should the need arise. Or how about volunteering for a food pantry, soup kitchen or even driving for bikkur cholim. So many chesed organizations need manpower – it would be a tremendous zechus for these boys.June 8, 2010 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #860555
read what i wrote.
i know of many that r looking for jobs.
if they had jobs they would have reason to daven earlier etc.
[otherwise i dont think its terrible to daven late [before zman tefilla] when its ur bein hazmanim.June 8, 2010 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #860556gavra_at_workParticipant
Depends. For the children the OP is talking about who want “spending money”, they should be learning in BM, not trying to get “spending money” or work so the yeshiva can take it away as tuition (a horrible concept in general, having children work just for the school to take it away). For students who want to begin their career, or even have a summer job to get resume experience, I am being sarcastic.
One of the best experiences I have had was my summer job while I was a teen. I led a (mostly) sheltered life up to that point, and it game me exposure to so many different cultures and people which I needed later in my work experiences; It can be a very positive summer activity, even as a late teen.June 9, 2010 1:41 am at 1:41 am #860557yeshivaguy1Participant
I just returned from Israel this year. I need a job in order to earn enough money to go back next year. I have interests in a specific career and I wish I had enough time to devote to it but I don’t. Not every teenager is being completely supported. I f anyone has a job in Lakewood with steady hours let me knowJune 9, 2010 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #860558cherrybimParticipant
eli lev – “if they had jobs they would have reason to daven earlier etc.”
If the bein hazmaners would daven at the early minyan, they might find businessmen there who would be impressed and willing to give a job to someone who shows that he is serious about life, even bein hazmanim.June 10, 2010 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #860559
this not a forum for u to vent[even in subtle ways] ur negative feelings towards yewhiva bachurim!March 18, 2012 10:49 am at 10:49 am #860560more_2Member
Bump;)March 18, 2012 10:52 am at 10:52 am #860561more_2Member
Anything job wise available this summer please post, preferably close to the NY city area..
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