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I want to hear members opinions: When kids or bocherim are going to swim in swimmingpool, should they wear a swimming shirt to cover the upper part of the body ?
If they don’t have enough sunscreen absolutely
If they are swimming separately, then there is no shayla, and if they are mixed swimming, then there are much bigger shaylas.
ofc not
The Aruch Hashulchan O’CH 75, says that hair not covered by a woman does not prohibit davenen infront of it since this became a custom, there is no hirhur. The MB argues on this. Certainly currently boys are used to seeing each other like that.
? ומעתה, בסווימינג פול מחייבי לכיסויי מעילא, במקוה טהורה מיבעי
OCD is not a mitzvah. Excessive prohibition is a bad idea.We always wear a shirt when swimming.
Why is tzniyus only for women?With all due respect reb eliezer, that Aruch Hashulan has nothing to do with the question. There is no concept of erurah by the man besides for the evurah (and maybe the other private part) but besides for that, one may make brachos opposite a man wearing only undergarments. The chiddish of the Aruch Hashulan is not needed. And no one I know applies it to anywhere but to hair.
His question is based off sensitivity. Should one wear a shirt or not?
Until the mid-20th century, men would be arrested for indecent exposure if they went swimming without a shirt. So are the Yidden in 2021 less modest than the goyim were 100 years ago?????
My prove was from rishonim quoted by the above Aruch Hashulchan that we follow the custom of the current behavior. We can make brachas with men wearing only undergarments because we are used to that. This answers the BaltimoreMaven question also but by women two wrongs don’t make a right.
“we follow the custom of the current behavior” may or may not be a good argument but the proof from the A”H does not have legs to stand on. He is discussing that since rm”l married woman go with their hair uncovered, we can make brachos in front uncover hair. He holds it is forbidden to walk around uncovered both there and in even haever. The sugiya of making brachos has nothing to do with walking around half naked. There is an iyan to get dressed underneath covers. That would be more comparable than making brachos.
As in a side, We can make brachos in front of other man because their bodies to us isn’t eruvah just like a woman to another woman.
All the best
Since that is no erva by men the question is there hirhur. Hair is assur because of hirhur. Erva is not related to being used to but hirhur is.
The A”H’s heter is based off that since there is no hirhur therefore there is no problem of erva. The whole sugyia there in brachos is based off this assumption. There is a difference in “proper” erva which is forbidden even without concern of hirhur and between the additions that chazal added that are also forbidden because they generally lead to hirhur even if at that moment there is no hirhur.
But I don’t think you properly answer the OP’s question
This is a question for you’re local orthodox rabbi.
I think the answer is pretty simple. It’s for sure muttar lihalachah. If you feel it’s “grubb” or felt in edilkeit, feel free to wear a shirt.
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