July 9, 2020 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1881052
please if you believe there is institutional racism name a law or policy in any institution not individual cases of racism or multiple cases of individuals committing racism otherwise dont reply to this topicJuly 10, 2020 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1881083
What has came to the front in recent months, is a lot of institution just did not hire certain qualified people. Not a policy, just a habit. There are businesses that are mostly minorities at the bottom with very little minorities higher up.July 10, 2020 12:38 am at 12:38 am #1881094GeulaParticipant
Hakst in tchainik. Provide data!July 10, 2020 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1881110
There is a thread with 44 posts about the data and why it is incomplete. Life stories are not data.July 10, 2020 8:48 am at 8:48 am #1881132besalelParticipant
stop and frisk.July 10, 2020 8:49 am at 8:49 am #1881131akupermaParticipant
Just like systematic/institutional anti-semitism is a myth. Actually if you live in Boro Park, work in Boro Park and have never left Boro Park, you might believe there is no discrimination against anyone in America (in Boro Park there is no discrimination against frum Yidden, and there aren’t enough goyim to discriminate against). You never applied for a job in which having beard and pe’os might hurt chances of getting hired. You never had to consider entering a field in which you were the only frum person. You never left out neighborhood. That method of avoid anti-semitism is similar to the reason many if not most Blacks in American prefer to live in Black neighborhoods and go to predominantly Black colleges.
You mean you never wondered if an African American professional you meet is truely qualified, or got the job only via affirmative action? You mean you never got nervous seeing a group of young, poor dressed, African American males walking towards you on a dark, uncrowded street? Did you ever feel uncomfortable traveling or shopping in an predominantly African American neighborhood?July 10, 2020 9:41 am at 9:41 am #1881142kollelmanParticipant
“You mean you never wondered if an African American professional you meet is truely qualified, or got the job only via affirmative action?” – if they are demonstrating lack of skills or professionalism, why not? The same is true for any person. Additionally, affirmative action (designed to help minorities) actually hurts them in this regard, because they are truly unqualified in some cases, yet granted admittance to university, and hired just because of their color (actual racism) and not because of their skills.
“You mean you never got nervous seeing a group of young, poor dressed, African American males walking towards you on a dark, uncrowded street?” Who wouldn’t? Do surveillance cameras generally show these people behaving properly? Do you usually see people in suits robbing and murdering people on the street in dark alleys? No. Google Don Lemon’s (CNN) rant against black people from 2013 – if anyone said that today, they would be deplatformed instantly.
“Did you ever feel uncomfortable traveling or shopping in an predominantly African American neighborhood?” – Our brains are trained to recognize patterns. Unfortunately an inordinate percentage of crime is committed by black people. They represent 13% of the population, yet commit 51% of all murders. Our brains take this shortcut in every case. Even with our own people.July 10, 2020 10:09 am at 10:09 am #1881149Yserbius123Participant
Look, I believe in institutional racism because studies and evidence support its existence. If you don’t believe in it, may I suggest an experiment? Invent a black name, like, I dunno, Lamar Washington. Build up a fake resume that involves going to a historically black college and living in a black community. Make up a similar resume with the exact same specialties but a white name and background. Send them around and see what the results are.July 10, 2020 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #18811835ishParticipant
LOL you claim something doesn’t exist but you don’t even know it’s definition. The whole idea of institutional racism is that it is NOT the result of laws or overt policies.
The following statistic (disclaimer: I have not vetted the statistic I am just using it as an example of the type of data that would indicate institutional racism) is indicative of institutional racism.
Although approximately two-thirds of crack cocaine users are white or Hispanic, a large percentage of people convicted of possession of crack cocaine in federal courts in 1994 were black. In 1994, 84.5% of the defendants convicted of crack cocaine possession were black while 10.3% were white and 5.2% were Hispanic.July 10, 2020 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #1881189HealthParticipant
besalel -“stop and frisk.”
Only in NYC was it targeted Minorities!July 10, 2020 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #1881202
akuperman ” applied for a job in which having beard and pe’os might hurt chances of getting hired. You never had to consider entering a field in which you were the only frum person.”
these are possible examples of individual instances of racism/antisemitism not systematic institutional racism/antisemitismJuly 10, 2020 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #1881207
5ish -“in 1994” im talking about nowJuly 12, 2020 11:29 am at 11:29 am #1881423
It is institutional at the place where he is applying for a job. It is systemic when that is practiced across the industry.July 12, 2020 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1881480
nomesorah if it was practiced across the country no frum jew would have a job !1
but thats not the case most frum jews are not NOT hired because they are jewsJuly 12, 2020 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1881541
The question of institutional racism, would only pertain to certain institutions. Nobody is accusing the NBA of discrimination. Where did you get the idea that to be part of the discussion it has to be across the country?July 12, 2020 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1881566
nomesorah you said its systematic when practiced across the country “It is systemic when that is practiced across the industry.”
scary how you dont see your hypocrisy when its right in front of your eyesJuly 12, 2020 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #18815805ishParticipant
I clearly wrote that I was using data to serve an an example. I was saying that what you think is institutional racism is not what it is or how the term is used but rather it is indicative of something else. To that end I used an example statistic to demonstrate the kinds of things that could be indicative of institutional racism.July 12, 2020 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1881604
I am not sure what you are misunderstanding here. I am not asserting that there is racism. Just pointing out what the discussion is about.July 12, 2020 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1881642
5ish-” I was using data to serve an an example” you didnt give any dataJuly 12, 2020 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #1881644
nomesorah-“. I am not asserting that there is racism. Just pointing out what the discussion is about” ok then dont reply i cleary said to reply only if you think there is ! because its obviously not the caseJuly 13, 2020 8:33 am at 8:33 am #1881687commonsaychelParticipant
I can tell you that reverse racism exist in NYC, if your a white male you have no chance at getting a job if your competing against a less qualified minority.July 13, 2020 10:01 am at 10:01 am #1881736
I am just curious.
How is the any place the institutes a policy of “affirmative action” not a place with the existence of “institutional racism”?July 13, 2020 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #1881846
So, you are saying that if the Jets would have moved to Manhattan, they would have a minority Coach?July 13, 2020 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #1881852
So question is, is there zero racism at play in the work force across the country? Or, is there racists tendencies across the nation that keep enormous amount of minorities unemployed?
The answer is, Absolutely not to both. Which answer is news to you? And, what gave you that impression?July 13, 2020 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #1881843
Well, if you are curious, you can look for better information. Affirmative Action in the USA, only meant that you can not discriminate on who you hire or admit to your school. Basic 1964 civil rights act stuff. [Executive orders by Kennedy and Johnson.] The ideas of minorities getting into universities instead of whites, is from money being offered to universities to take in minorities or whatever. We are very used to this kind of ‘pull’ in our world. I don’t know why it is surprising to find it in the secular world as well. [Some recent news stories highlight this.] The issue gets complicated, when the State offers tax breaks and the like for minority jobs. (I think the first big case was Colorado 1994.) This is because of the ambiguity of our tax codes, as well as general ignorance of state finances. We should care about it much more than race issues, but we just ignore it.July 13, 2020 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1881891commonsaychelParticipant
@n0m after you get your first full time job I will answer you.July 13, 2020 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #1881926
Sorry I did not realize that policies now cannot be criticized because policies 50 years ago were different.July 16, 2020 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1882909
There is a lot to criticize about Universities. But the policies you are mentioning are not directly their own. If we want to undo the destruction these institutions have done on American Society we have to fight were the battle is.July 19, 2020 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #1883721
Are you trying to make sense?July 19, 2020 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm #1883779
I thought I was following you. I guessed I lost you somewhere. What was your point about affirmative action in universities today?July 19, 2020 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #1883866charliehallParticipant
My wife has lost jobs because she refused to work on Shabbat.July 19, 2020 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #1883865charliehallParticipant
Legacy preference in admissions to private colleges. It benefits less qualified WASPs at the expense of every other ethnic group including Jews.July 20, 2020 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm #18840562scentsParticipant
“My wife has lost jobs because she refused to work on Shabbat.”
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