July 10, 2011 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #597868
We know that Taa’os akum is muttar, what about if one assits a taa’os akum will it still be muttar? I was shopping, and there was a sale on soda cans 5 twelve packs, for $11. (In NY they charge 0.05 cents bottle deposit per can, on carbonated drinks) Anyways the cashier tells me to pass one case and will scan it 5 times. Is one allowed to pass the brisk – which is not carbonated and like this save on the bottle deposit, for the remaining 4 cases of soda which are carbonated?July 10, 2011 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #784294
Well let’s see. Who is being ripped off here?
The store doesn’t keep the deposit, they just pass it through to the state. The state doesn’t keep it, they give it back when you return the cans.
So I would say, just don’t return the cans.July 10, 2011 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #784295
pba – But the homeless that goes through the garbage might!July 10, 2011 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #784296
So jump on them.July 10, 2011 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #784297
Who the homeless? 🙂July 10, 2011 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #784298RSRHMember
Popa, I’m confused, if OP had paid the 5 cents per can, that money would have gone to the State, and would have been paid back only if and when the OP had returned the cans for recycling. Lets assume that the OP, like most people, doesn’t typically return the cans; then his failure to pay the deposit has deprived the State of 5 cents per can. Even if OP does ordinarily return the cans, and decides not to do so this time because he hasn’t paid the deposit, he has still deprived the State of the time-value of the money he would have paid up front.July 10, 2011 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #784299HaLeiViParticipant
I think it is worse than that, RSRH. The can belongs to the state. That is why you pay $0.05 for it. You get it back if you return it. He should return the cans but not take the $0.05.
In general, regarding Ta’os Akum, let’s remember that it is not Mentchlich either way. The Sefer Chasidim says that you won’t see a Siman Bracha (a blessing of success) from such money. Non Jewish people don’t have the Torah and yet you expect them to behave in a civil manner. You should live up to the same thing, Mechuyav or not.July 10, 2011 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #784300mddMember
Moderator, please, close this one.July 10, 2011 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #784301
The can doesn’t belong to the state. If it belonged to the state, you’d be stealing if you didn’t return it.
Surely you don’t think that.July 10, 2011 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #784302HaLeiViParticipant
Why stealing? You paid $0.05 for it!July 10, 2011 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #784303
mdd – Why close it?July 10, 2011 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #784304deiyezoogerMember
Taa’os akum his when the akum makes an error not when you make him make an error thats called “maat’ah” which is asur.July 10, 2011 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #784305get a lifeMember
What a great opportunity for KIDUSH HASHEM lost !!! And it would only cost $2.40. For a chilul Hashem, a person can only atone for the sin with sincere repentance & finally upon that person’s death, so you can imagine how valuable a kiddush HASHEM is worth. There was a story where a bus driver who thought about becoming frum, intentionally gave a frum looking person, extra change for their fare. The frum person reasoned taut akum ! In the end he returned the extra change & the bus driver replied, that he made the mistake intentionally & now that he can see how wonderful frum people are, he has decided to become frum.July 11, 2011 12:11 am at 12:11 am #784306bezalelParticipant
There is another issue here: Supermarkets often don’t pay the manufacturers until a product is sold and by scanning the Lipton 5 times Unilever is getting paid for 4 cases that Pepsico should be paid for. (I may have the componies wrong but I know that Lipton is distributed by a soda company that doesn’t own them.)July 11, 2011 1:13 am at 1:13 am #784307Pac / ManMember
And the cashier is messing up her store’s inventory control by doing that.
BTW, following the cashier’s instructions will result either in an overcharge or an undercharge of the deposit. Unless she scans all individually, there is no way the price will be right. You will either pay too much or too little, but certainly not the correct amount.July 11, 2011 3:08 am at 3:08 am #784308☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I agree with DZ, and think it’s assur (I would guess, but am not sure, that the store loses out if they neglect to charge foe the deposit). You should tell the cashier that you can’t scan all five together, one has no deposit and four do.
R-b, you could have used lemonade as an example. ?July 11, 2011 3:59 am at 3:59 am #784309DroidMember
So wait. Here the cashier is asking the customer to give her one box to scan 5 times. So an error will occur either way. Is he *obligated* to advise her she is making an error? Or could he follow her instructions to give her once case? It is *her* error, so it is taaos akum. He may as well as give her the one with no deposit, so that he isn’t overcharged.July 11, 2011 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #784310
DY -Why use lemonade if i like ‘Brisk’ better! Besides that is what the story happened with. I forgot to mmention that the cashier asked me to pass just this one. (not that I offered)
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