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March 16, 2012 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #602524avhabenParticipant
Where can I find a tachnun calendar that indicates when when we do and don’t (i.e. Yahrtzeit’s, etc.) say tachnun?
March 16, 2012 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #861302DerechMemberI don’t think the same dates are universally observed.
March 16, 2012 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #861303bptParticipantAmong the shteeble’s all time favorite pastimes:
No one remembers if we say / dont say tachnun on a questionable day, but EVERYone remembers that we argue about it.
(providing tikkun and lech goes a long way to obtain a “no” outcome)
March 16, 2012 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #861305☕️coffee addictParticipantTry artscroll
March 16, 2012 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #861306Feif UnParticipantavhaben: I don’t think the Shulchan Aruch says we skip tachnun because of a yartzeit.
March 16, 2012 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #861307nishtdayngesheftParticipantFeif un,
I do not think your comment answered avhaben’s questions.
March 16, 2012 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #861308ItcheSrulikMemberFeif Un: I don’t think the Shulchan Aruch says we say six chapters of tehillim and sing a piyyut before maariv on Fridays either. So?
March 18, 2012 5:11 am at 5:11 am #861309147ParticipantDerech
I don’t think the same dates are universally observed.
This is a corrrect observation:- This year some places shall observe Yom ha’Atzmaut Bi’Zemano on Friday Iyyor 5th, whereas others shall be Makdim Yom ha’Atzmaut to Thursday Iyyor 4th.
Then a week later, some places shall be reciting Tachnun on Pesach Sheni, whereas other do not, and some only by Mincho [Zeman Shechitas Korban Pesach Sheni] omit Tachnun.
Then 3 weeks after that, some places re-commence Tachnun day
after Isrru Shovu’os:- Sivvon 9th, whereas other places don’t re-commence Tachnun, until Sivvon 13th.
March 18, 2012 5:35 am at 5:35 am #861310Sam2Participant147: Yeah, but if the government gets their way and changes Yom Ha’atzma’ut to be a long weekend from now on, then soon all of the religious will skip Tachanun on 5 Iyar every year.
March 18, 2012 5:49 am at 5:49 am #861311147ParticipantSam2:- Not quite every year; Once in a while [when Erev Pesach Shabbos will have been 3 weeks earlier on Shabbos] then in such years:- to skip Tzidkosecho Tzedek.
March 18, 2012 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #861312hershiMemberWhen do Litvaks skip tachnun?
March 19, 2012 2:14 am at 2:14 am #861313147Participanthershi:- Litvaks skip Tachnun, all of Nisson; Yom ha’Atzma’ut; Mincho of Pesach Sheni; Lag b’Omer; Yom Yerusholayim; Rosh Chodesh Sivan thru Isru Shovu’os; Tisho b’Ov {this year Assoro b’Ov for 1st time in 14 years}; Chag haMecholos [A.K.A. Chamisho Ossor b’Ov}; Erev R’H & R’H; Erev Y’K thru Isru Simchas Toroh; Chanukah; Chamisho Ossor b’Ov; Purim & Shushan Purim [including Koton thereof]; Friday afternoons & Rosh Chodesh.
However Litvaks do recite Tachnun from 2 days after Shovu’os, and from 2 days after Simchas Toroh thru Rosh Chodesh marCheshvon.
March 19, 2012 2:17 am at 2:17 am #861314mddMemberItshe, there is a difference between adding a zach and being mevatel a zach.
March 19, 2012 2:35 am at 2:35 am #861315sof davarMember“Feif Un: I don’t think the Shulchan Aruch says we say six chapters of tehillim and sing a piyyut before maariv on Fridays either. So?”
The aruch hashulchan does mention it in specific detail 267:2
What is the source for skipping tachanun on a yahrtzeit?
March 19, 2012 2:48 am at 2:48 am #861316abcd2Participantjust for the record many people are not saying tachanun this week because of shiva yemei miluim
March 19, 2012 9:24 am at 9:24 am #861317YW Moderator-42Moderator147, Many Litvaks say tachanun (with a bracha :)) on Yom Haatzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim.
Also, the mincha before many of the days you listed. there are various minhagim regarding the week after Shavuos and Simchas Torah.
Either way, I don’t think anybody here has answered the OP’s question. All the special days discussed so far can usually be found in siddurim and halacha seforim. He was asking about yahrtzeits when chasidim skip tachanun.
March 19, 2012 9:29 am at 9:29 am #861318YW Moderator-42ModeratorThere’s a story about a chasidishe place that skipped tachanun on every yahrtzeit they could find. They skipped it so often that they had gone a whole year without ever saying the long version of tachanun because every Monday and Thursday was another “yom tov”. Finally one Monday came when there was no known yahrtzeit. The chasidim were so excited that they were finally going to say long tachanun and in their excitement decided to celebrate and declare that day a yom tov. Because of the yom tov – they skipped tachanun.
March 19, 2012 9:31 am at 9:31 am #861319more_2MemberGosh you put up this post.. You cant put any others up??
March 19, 2012 10:00 am at 10:00 am #861320Geordie613ParticipantI think there is no answer to the OP. You have to keep to your minhag. There are the basic days which everyone here has mentioned, e.g Rosh Chodesh, chanuka, purim etc. There are days that “most” people keep, e.g. week after Shavuos and Simchas Torah and pesach sheni etc. Then there are the days that every community keeps themselves, e.g. Yom Haaztmaut, Rebbe’s Yohrtzeits, Moshe Rabeinu’s yohrtzeit, etc.
I would say the important thing is that a shul or community should keep the same days every year.
I was once in a chasidishe shul in Antwerp on the Steipler’s yohrtzeit and they ommited Tachanun. I said that I’m sure the Steipler himself would have said tachanun on that day.
March 19, 2012 11:48 am at 11:48 am #861321hershiMemberThe Noam Elimelech’s yahrtzeit (that was last week) is one of the days tachnun is omitted.
March 19, 2012 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #861322Sam2ParticipantAaron Chaim: Of course he would have. It wouldn’t have been his Yahrtzeit yes. 🙂
March 19, 2012 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #861323R.T.ParticipantGenerally speaking, The Ezras Luach is the most authoritative source for days when to/not to say Tachanun for mainstream Ashkenzai Kehillas. The Luach Colel Chabad is specific for the Chabad-Lubavitch community (They do not say Tachanun on 19 & 20 Kislev and Mincha of the 18th beforehand). Concerning Sephardim, Tachanun is not said for the remainder of Tishrei after Shmini Atzeret (Yemei Tashlumim for Shalmei Chagiga) and for the 6 or 7 days following Shavuos (Same reason). Different Chassidic communities (Satmar, Belz, etc..) also have their own Luachs for their communities. As for Yom HaAtzma’ut and Yom Yerushalayim, Tachanun is observed to be said in the Yeshiva and Chassidic communities. I saw it brought down in the Sefer Nitei Gavriel (on Hilchot Purim) that there are some who do not say Tachanun from the 23rd of Adar onwards (as they are the 7 days Milu’im of the Mishkan). For final psak, please consult your L.O.R.
March 19, 2012 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #861324PBTMemberArtscroll’s calendars are excellent in that regard as far as most dates when not said. With that as a starting point, you then need to consult the Rov or Gabbai of the shul or minyan you daven with to ask about their own minhagos.
For example, in the main shul on Denver’s Westside, we stop saying Tachanun exactly 1 week before Rosh Chodesh Nissan, because during that week the Mishkan was being set up and taken down, with Moshe officiating as the Kohen. We don’t start again until 2 Iyar.
March 20, 2012 1:51 am at 1:51 am #861325147ParticipantR.T. Concerning Sephardim, Tachanun is not said for the remainder of Tishrei after Shmini Atzeret (Yemei Tashlumim for Shalmei Chagiga) and for the 6 or 7 days following Shavuos (Same reason).
What RT mentioned for the days following Shavu’os is correct [albeit 5-6 days]; However following Shemini Atzeres, there is no Tashlumin, since Sukkos was already 7 days [unlike Shovu’os only being 1 day] and Shemini Atzeres is just an extra day/chance to make up Chaggigo of Sukkos tagged onto the 7 days.
Reason why those who omit Tachnun in last week of Tishri, is because since majority of month already did not have Tachnun, so follow by majority of month.
To clarify:- Most Hassidic places don’t say Tachnun for week after Shovu’os & Shemini Atzeres, whereas most Litvac places do say already 2 days after Shovu’os & Simchas Torah, and Yekke places say 2 days after Shovu’os, but not last week of Tishri.
Getting back to original issue raised by abhaven, Tachnun is universally omitted on the following Yorzeits:- Aharon haKohen [Ov 1st]; Miriam haNevi’oh [Nisson 10th]; Nodov va’Avihu [Nisson 1st]; Yehoshu’a bin Nun [Nisson 26th]; hoRav Avigdor haKohen Miller [Nisson 27th]; Vilna Gaon [Tishri 19th]; Shmuel haNovi [Yom Yerusholayim]; hoRav Shimon Eider [Tishri 16th]; However it is recited on Moshe Rabeinu’s Yorzeit. By the way, Tachnun is also omitted on birthday of Yitzchok Ovinu [Nisson 15th:- Exactly 400 years prior to Yetzi’as mitzraim to the very day]
March 20, 2012 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #861326R.T.ParticipantHi 147. Thank you for the response. Yes, it should have said 5-6 days for Shavuos. Concerning Motzei Shmini Atzeret, your statement is true, but I am not sure that everyone holds by that since in some Ashkenazi communities, Tachanun is resumed on 25 Tishrei which implies the Svara that it is Tashlumim (which is not nogea b’zman hazeh post Churban Bayit Sheni and therefore the same applies in Ashkenazi communities Motzei Shavuot).
Your list at the conclusion of your post parallels the list in Megillas Ta’anis. That too according to some *may be* Batel B’Zman HaZeh. At any rate, we could list all the Yahrzeits of all the Avot, Neviim, Melachim, Anshei Knesset HaGedola, Tannaim, Amoraim, Geonim, Rishonim & Acharonim (Ad HaYom HaZeh) and fill up the calendar.
March 21, 2012 4:12 am at 4:12 am #861327Josh31ParticipantI am coming up with about 76 times in a 12 month year and about 80 times in a 13 month year the long Tachanun (Monday & Thursday) is said if no bris or Chasan. After Thursday we get a long break.
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