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  • #1950549
    commonsaychel
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    Prior to the invent of the internet, [ by Al Gore lol] the main forum for exchange of ideas and opinions was talk radio, recently two giants of talk radio died, Larry King and Rush Limbaugh, regardless of what you thought of their politics [they were polar opposites] both were very well informed and entertaining.
    As someone who grew up on talk radio its a sad moment with the passing of these very talented men.

    #1950559
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @CommonSaychel
    I don’t agree that Rush was talented, he was an offensive bigot. Larry King overnight was entertaining.
    I still listen to talk radio….NPR.
    No right wing for me.

    #1950563
    Sam Klein
    Participant

    How do we know that they weren’t secretly murdered by the democrats cause they weren’t supporting them and their agenda and then the democrats just covering it up like the way they are blaming the entire January 6 capitol riots on Trump filled with lies just to put a bad name on Trump whatever it will cost them even with COS saying she was almost killed there when she confirmed and confessed later what a list she is that she wasn’t even there?

    Such a corrupt world today…..

    #1950566

    When Israel invited Gorbachev in 1992, Rush quipped – This is as Jews inviting Pharaoh after Exodus

    #1950576
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I don’t agree that Rush was talented

    That’s unusual bias induced blindness. Most of his detractors acknowledge his immense talent. Most people are not talented enough to gain such a huge audience.

    #1950609
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    Talk radio was never about exchanging ideas. It was about letting someone talk about their opinion for hours on end with occasional callers who were screened to either reinforce the host’s opinion, or let on to be sneered and laughed at before cutting them off.

    I may agree with a lot of what Rush had to say, and even went through the usual (thankfully brief) Yeshiva Bachur phase of enjoying to listen to him, but let’s not pretend he was anything more than he was. A cheerleader who could yell his opinions really loud.

    #1950612
    ujm
    Participant

    Rush, above all else, was a heavy weight (no pun intended) intellectual. That’s what his far-left detractors hated most, causing them to deny the truth. The left could never produce a counter-weight to Rush. Their only tool left was ad hominems utilizing fabrications and falsehoods, which are trademarks of the left.

    #1950631

    Ctlawyer, an “offensive bigot”? How’s that? Too easy to toss around disgusting insults these days…
    The guy was a legend whether you agreed with his political views or not …

    #1950638
    ujm
    Participant

    Reagan, Buckley and Limbaugh were the three giants of American conservatism.

    #1950643
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    A recitation of Rush’s “greatest hits’ would likely not even be allowed by the Mods. he was entertaining in the same way as someone else we know who seemed incapable of civil discourse and resorted to name-calling and insults with frequent racists and misogynistic tropes. Many of us did not find those either entertaining or reflecting a great intellect.

    #1950680

    Alright gh, try and see if the mods approve. I have seen a supposed quote belonging to rush, which spoke of how “in the times of slavery, at least there weren’t dangerous thugs roaming the street… ” something obviously racist along those lines-but was completely made up, Rush never said it. Think it was the liberal Snopes that rated it false. But the left, being the left, took it and ran..

    #1950756
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    CTLawyer,
    “I still listen to talk radio….NPR.”
    yup that is a high quality very talented objective bunch of people [sarcasm noted] I listen to NPR’s “objective” reporting on middle east and that is enough to make me want to retch.

    #1950788
    ujm
    Participant
    #1950792
    catch yourself
    Participant

    In response to CTL, GH, et al

    Rush Limbaugh was bombastic, provocative, and partisan to the extreme.
    Michael Che is bombastic, provocative, and partisan to the extreme.

    The difference is that Rush was unquestionably one of the most talented political entertainers of his time, and Michael Che is… Michael Che.

    I don’t agree with either of their viewpoints, and I think there is a lot of merit to the argument that Rush was one of the catalysts of the hyper-partisanship which currently holds our country hostage. This does not detract from Rush’s talent level (which was enormous), and the fact that someone might agree with Che does not mean that he has any talent (he’s pathetic).

    #1950832
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @Catchyourself
    Sorry, I’ve never heard of Michael Che.
    A quick Google search shows him to be a stand up comedian, not a talk radio host

    #1950841
    catch yourself
    Participant

    @ CTL

    No need to apologize. Michael Che is a senior writer and one of the leading performers on SNL. He is currently in the headlines (including the YWM home page) because of an outrageously anti-Semitic “joke” that he used this week in Weekend Updates.

    I have no problem laughing at jokes whose premise is a political ideology with which I disagree. I just have never found Che’s stuff to be any good. I find it contrived, unoriginal, and without class. Nevertheless, there must be some people who think he’s funny, or he wouldn’t have his job.

    I brought him up in this conversation as an illustration that someone can be an “offensive bigot” and still be talented. It’s easier to see this when the offensive bigot is on your side.

    #1950895
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Limbaugh was an “entertainer” in the Jackie Mason tradition who got his laughs through the use of racist and misogynistic stereotypes and hyperbole. There were and continue to be many outstanding conservative thought leaders who engage in civil discourse and express deeply held views on the virtues of patriotism, small government and personal responsibility without denigrating others. Limbaugh thrived on creating an “us” (aka real americans) versus “them” (liberal elites”) and a sense of belonging to the “dittoheads” who found a voice in his daily rants. The Dems have their own version of polarizing voices, although none with the “entertainment” skills of a Limbaugh.

    #1950891
    ujm
    Participant

    Che was likely an affirmative action hire.

    #1950952
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @Catchyourself
    Thanks. I am not a watcher of Saturday Night Live or much television besides news, weather, business channels

    #1950961
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @CTLaywer and pathetic biased NPR

    #1950974
    huju
    Participant

    To ujm: How do you know why Che was hired?

    I used to think Che was funny, but that joke got him kicked off my “funny” list. Let’s wait to see whether he apologizes properly.

    #1951038
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @Common You have no Saychel

    NP RADIO…one cannot watch Radio, so don’t say I do the impossible.

    #1951094
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @CTLawyer
    They say radio is the theater of the mind

    #1951141

    Ctlawyer, still curious why you view Rush as an “offensive bigot.”

    #1951274
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    The comparison between Rush and che is an apt one.
    bot are entertainers first and foremost (though rush was far more entertaining than che) People who go to either of them for news or rational intellectual takes on any subject are looking in the wrong place.

    That people take anything either of them says/said seriously is puzzling .

    Its like being offended by Howard Stern. Um, yes that is the point, if you don’t like it shut it off.
    Limbaugh was more akin to Howard Stern than to Bill Buckley

    #1951285
    ujm
    Participant

    Bill Buckley disagreed with you. He held highly of Mr. Limbaugh as an intellectual.

    #1951294
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    ujm

    I’d like to see a source for that.

    (I’m not arguing)

    allow me to clarify. At no point did I mean to imply that Rush Limbaugh wasn’t an intellectual . I meant his show. His show was not intended to stimulate thought , or to be “high brow” it was intended to entertain the masses who already agreed with him.

    If you were looking for an honest intellectual take on politics/news if you looked to Limbaugh’s show, or SNL you were looking in the wrong place

    #1951356
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @ubiquitin Let me clarify. Rush Limbaugh was not an intellectual. One only has to listen to his various attempts to debunk climate change over the years to understand that. “Melting ice doesn’t make the water in the glass rise!” is not an intellectual response.

    #1951378
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Yserbius

    ITs hard to seperate the man from the character

    He had to fill 3 hours day in and day out. That is no easy to do. He can’t just say wel its a slow news day so lets call it after 10 minutes.
    Natrually a lot of gibberish came forth in that time.

    Sadly some iof his listeners believed it because their gadol said it . Many knew it was shtick don’t take him (too?) seriously of course everything/most of what he said was imbecilic

    #1951428
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @Torahvalues
    I composed a lengthy reply full of direct quotes of his bigotry about 7 hours ago and submitted it.
    Somehow it has never appeared in this thread.

    I can’t imagine you are wondering why.

    #1951453

    Talk radio has a propaganda aspect influencing masses, that I am not fond of, and an educational aspect that is good. You hear not just pronouncements, but arguments and discussions.

    I listen more to NPR than to AM radio to get familiar with their reasoning. Does not mean that I agree with them, but I am sure that when I take a position I know what the counter-arguments are. Some here have a curious view that they refuse to listen to the other side – and then pronounce their judgment based on quotes they picked up somewhere. You can not be sure that you are not being biased. You see that a number of reasonable people found something in Talk Radio, so you should investigate and make a reasonable judgment.

    PS It appears some liberal-minded Israelis have more integrity than Americans. A story that one Israeli academic told me: “I chose” not to be observant … Then, my older son, growing up, started mocking Datiim. I told him – if you want to talk like that, you need to at least know what you are talking about. So, he went a took a class. Became shomer Shabbat. Does not eat in my house anymore. Then, my 2nd son – same story repeated… (One of them is involved in right-wing Israeli politics). <end of story>. I give this guy a lot of credit – especially that he said the same thing to the 2nd son after what happened with the first.

    #1951571
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    Fact is Rush was extremely talented and he built up a network from nothing to become a Multi Millionaire, NPR could not exist without handouts and Air America was a dismal failure

    #1951592

    Ok ctlawyer , you’ve convinced me!🙄

    #1951962
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @commonsaychel Oish, Air America, I remember that disaster. Michael Moore was their big draw and even he quit after he was basically ignored. I don’t know what it is about AM radio that attracts Conservative viewpoints, but in a way I’m glad it does.

    @ubiquitin He spent an awful lot of those three hours daily pushing pure fiction that he knew most of his listeners believed. Up until his death, he was still claiming that the people who attacked the Capitol were Antifa hired by Democrats, despite many being identified as prominent Trump supporters.

    #1951997
    takahmamash
    Participant

    G. Gordon Liddy had a much better show than Rush.

    #1951998
    Ben Levi
    Participant

    I actually think Rush was responsible for the massive loss of credibility that the mainstream media had with American public.

    I recall seeing a clip of an interview with a Black women who supported Trump, I think it was on CBS. She was asked why and replied. After Trump’s July 4’th speech at Mt Rushmore I watched all the commentary calling it “dark’ and “divisive” and then I went to watch it and saw it was nothing of the sort. So I started investigating the man and administration behind the caricature the media was painting and I became a supporter”

    I may have got somethings wrong but that the gist of what she said.

    I feel Rush served the same purpose.

    Anyone who actually listened to Rush on even an occasional basis saw and heard that he was no bigot. He actually had an African American who produced his show, and had African Americans filling in for him all the time. He was extremely pro Israel and extremely respectful of religion.

    He was also very generous dedicating his show to raising money for various causes and donating plenty himself. In fact he was considered from the most generous celebrities out there.

    His personal failings are well documented but that does not change facts.

    The media regularly would take a line or two out of a 15 minute monologue and purposely take it out of context to create a caricature of him that was objectively false showing they were in essence dishonest.

    #1952008
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Yserbius

    while what you say is 100% true. And I think the world is a better place now that he is gone. that in no way diminishes the fact that he was no dummy. He knew what he was doing

    #1952093

    Ubi, better for leftist liberals, who love that there is one less conservative voice to oppose their own opinions…

    #1952106
    ujm
    Participant

    What anyone who spent any regular amount of time listening to Rush knows is that the left and the mainstream media and the comments above speaking ill regarding Mr. Limbaugh are from people who rarely (if ever) listened to him. All they know is third-hand claims about what he allegedly said. 99.8% of it is complete rubbish. (Note for the uninitiated: that percentage is a joke; but the point is not.)

    Mr. Limbaugh, as his listeners well know, had a very good sense of humor. And he often used sarcasm to make his excellent points. And the nitwits who rarely listen to him, and don’t understand his humor, often and repeatedly took his sarcasm as being comments he said and meant literally. (They often did the same with President Trump.)

    I can challenge anyone to produce a source (and not from his detractors) for any of the false claims made regarding what he said. (The man produced three hours of audio five days a week for over thirty years!; if he said it, surely there’s ample original source material to find and produce for us.) The vast majority of it will have absolutely no source; and the little that does will turn out to be from comments made not literally but rather Rush expressing a point humorously.

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