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Has anyone heard that in order to get your name into the Mishnah you had to be able to do techiyas hameisim?
Does anyone know the source for this?
It sounds very strange. I don’t doubt that they could, but it’s just a weird requirement.
How would you know if someone is able to do techiyas hameisim if they haven’t actually done techiyas hameisim?
I’ve heard it too. Never saw the source though. Try googling it.
I think it is truly truly amazing that our yiddishe chachomim were capable of reviving the dead a “mere” 1800 years ago. Mi k’amchu yisroel!
I heard it about the entire Gemara.
I have a shtickel raya that it’s not true, from the story of Rabba and R’ Zeira in Megilla (7b). One year at the Purim seuda, Rabba got drunk, shechted R’ Zeira, and then brought him back to life. The next year Rabba invited R’ Zeira again, but R’ Zeira declined, saying he was worried Rabba would shecht him again and a miracle wouldn’t occur this time.
Now, if this were true, 1) Why was it called a miracle? They knew how to do it, presumably through heejee beejee, so why would you call it a miracle? and 2) What’s the big deal? Just bring along some friends as backup, if Rabba can’t resuscitate him the others will!
yitayningwut- Its a shvacha raya. 1. Techias Hameisim is considered a miracle, just one that they had the ability to perform. 2. Since its a miracle it is a big deal. Hashem may not allow them to do it again.
Derech HaMelech- I dont think its quite the way you phrased it. Its not like they all had to pass a test to get into the Mishna. “Field trip to the cemetery. Whoever raise the dead gets in the book, those who cant… you lose!”
My understanding is everyone that is mentioned (I heard in the Gemara) is on the Madreiga that they could have been mechaye meisim if necessary. Its just pointing out the Gadlus of those Tanaim.
See Gemara Avoda Zara 10b: Antoninus tells the Tanna Rabbi Yehuda HaNassi: “I know that even the smallest of you can make the dead live”.
So it is clear that this gentile nobleman understood as a simple matter of fact that even the smallest Tanna can perform Tchiyas HaMeisim.
HolyMoe – Good raya.
My understanding is everyone that is mentioned (I heard in the Gemara) is on the Madreiga that they could have been mechaye meisim if necessary.
Based on Megillah 7B and Sanhedrin 90B, I’d say that the Amoraim in general were not nessasarily capable of Techiyas Hameisim and that Rabba was exceptional in this regard.
I heard that in yeshiva but I could never find a source. In the end I found it in a kuntres of popular “chazals” that are not found in the primary sources (Mishna, Tosefta, Bavli, Yerushalmi, Sifra, Sifre).
HolyMoe: Who said he was right? Who says it wasn’t guzma?
According to the Mharsa”h the gemarah in Megilah 7b should not be interperated literly.
The gem in BK 117a an incident with Rav Yochanan and Rav Kahane also may involve techiyas hamasim but it seems it was not thru a mofas but tefilla.
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