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    simcha613
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    Is there any truth to the notion that Jews with tattoos aren’t allowed to be buried in a Jewish cemetery?

    #943406

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    no

    #943407

    nitpicker
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    I am sure this has been discussed here before.

    but:

    The short answer to the question is no. a jewish cemetery could not have a hard and fast rule like that.

    The longer answer.

    A non practicing Jew may not buried next to one who was observant of the torah and its laws. The torah forbids Jews from tattooing.

    but

    The mere presence of a tattoo does not prove that the deceased was a non-practicing Jew at the time of his death

    and even a non-practicing jew may and should be buried in a jewish cemetery, though he would not be given an adjoining plot to one who was observant.

    for a still longer answer stay tuned, others will post.

    and now it is time for me to go back on the wagon.

    #943409

    sharp
    Member

    You can always get a temporary tattoo… Lol

    #943410

    nitpicker
    Participant

    it seems not according to the rambam.

    #943411

    sharp
    Member

    Possible. I specially wrote LOL so it should be obvious that it’s in jest. The question sounded more like it’s coming from halachik standpoint or for information purposes regarding a scenario where it’s there already. That’s why I thought I can afford to make the joke. They didn’t ask if they should or should not..

    But thanks.

    #943412

    nitpicker
    Participant

    to sharp.

    I understood you were joking but still wanted to clarify the point.

    #943413

    rebdoniel
    Member

    If you look at Ari Zivotofsky’s column in Jewish Action, he addresses this.

    It is a non-halacha.

    Tattooed persons are permitted burial, and this obviously became a she’eila after the Shoah.

    Many people who are chozer be teshuva have tattoos.

    #943414

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    Get a t-shirt instead.

    #943415

    I inquired about this from a rov who was often involved in funeral arrangements for non frum yidden that wanted jewish burials and funeral services. He said although it’s not in the shulchan aruch, there are cemetaries that have this hakpada as a real inyan. It was a takana made to make people think twice and three times before being over the laav.

    #943416

    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Of course not. Holocaust survivors, for example.

    #943417

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    What if someone was a Baal Tshuva and got it before they were religous. You are not allowed to have it removed

    #943418

    yehudayona
    Participant

    I’ve seen a guy in the mikveh with tattoos. I assume he’s a BT.

    ZD, do you have a source for your statement that it assur to remove a tattoo?

    #943419

    interjection
    Participant

    Is the op planning to get a tattoo?

    #943420

    WIY
    Member

    Zd

    Why can’t it be removed?

    #943421

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There is some Halcha just like you cant get a tattoo, you are not supposed to get it removed if you got one either before you were religious or R’L you got one forcibly in the camps.

    Once you have it , its considered part of you

    #943422

    Yserbius123
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    There was a shaila brought to Rav Chaim Kanievsky a few years ago where a girl had the entire pasuk that assurs tattoos including the Shem Hashem tattooed on her arm. She was becoming frum and wanted it removed. I don’t remember the psak.

    #943423

    nishtdayngesheft
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    ZD,

    Do you have any source for this? You don’t want to start making up baseless halachos now.

    #943424

    DaMoshe
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    Tattoos on Holocaust survivors should be a badge of pride. I remember when I was young, the cook in my yeshiva had a number tattooed on his arm. When I was old enough to understand what it meant, I had a tremendous amount of respect for him. To go through that hell, and come out as a frum Jew, is amazing. I’m sure when these people get to their din v’cheshbon after 120, the tattoo (together with the yellow stars many had to wear) acts as a shield against the prosecutors in the beis din.

    The Satmar Rebbe z”l, said that if you see someone with a tattoo from the camps, you should ask for a bracha from the person.To my knowledge, he didn’t say the person had to be frum, just that they have a tattoo.

    #943425

    yitayningwut
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    It is not against halacha have a tattoo removed.

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