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  • #1545569

    Takes2-2tango
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    Can someone please shed some light on the legalities of this tax.
    1st. If the store owner is giving me a free bag then how can the government legally interfere and tax me on it.
    2.) If it is indeed taxable despite the fact that its free , then why werent stores charging tax on these bags prior to this new law?

    #1545696

    smerel
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    (1)A taxable transaction doesn’t require buying or selling

    (2)Why would anyone charge tax on a free item if the law didn’t require it?

    #1545746

    Takes2-2tango
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    (2)Why would anyone charge tax on a free item if the law didn’t require it?
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    Because your telling me that one does not need to buy something in order to be taxed on it.
    If i get a tracter trailer of of bags for free, do i need to pay tax on it ?

    #1545729

    Gadolhadorah
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    Plastic shopping bags are one of the worst forms of trash in our waterways and landfills. Its costs billions of dollars a year globally to clean up as well as the deaths to sea animals, birds, etc. A small tax has been shown to reduce this litter (although will not eliminate it). Even a modest reduction in this form of pollution is worth it. If you don’t want to pay the tax, bring your own bags.The supreme court has affirmed on multiple occasions the taxing authority of state and local governments to achieve their own policy objectives.

    #1545743

    yehudayona
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    It’s not a tax, it’s a fee, more like a bottle deposit (except you don’t get it back). I doubt if there’s any prohibition against stores not charging customers (just as they can include sales tax in the price of an item). My understanding is that four cents would go to NJ and one cent to the store, so the store can probably swallow the four cents if they want to give out bags for free. Interestingly, the Sierra Club opposes the bill and the supermarket lobby supports it.

    #1545833

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    “It’s not a tax, it’s a fee… four cents would go to NJ”

    So, it’s a fee that gives money to the state every time you buy something, but you don’t want to call it a tax…

    #1545986

    DaasYochid ☕
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    So call it a tax, a fee, who cares?

    As long as it’s not a sales tax, it shouldn’t run into tttt’s legal problem.

    #1545985

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    Can a store just say that for every 5 dollars spent in our store ,you get a free bag with or logo on it and not charge the customer 5 cents? I wonder if thats a legal loophole

    #1545990

    DaasYochid ☕
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    I wonder if thats a legal loophole

    I doubt it. Why would it be?

    #1545994

    Takes2-2tango
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    yehudayonaParticipant
    It’s not a tax, it’s a fee, more like a bottle deposit (except you don’t get it back). I doubt if there’s any prohibition against stores not charging customers (just as they can include sales tax in the price of an item).
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    Actually its more like cigarette tax to deter people from lighting up
    Does that mean that if a store gives out free cigs to people , it much charge tax like a plastic bag?
    This whole plastic bax tax makes zero sense legally speaking.
    If one wishes to recycle thier bags then go ahead , but to tax peple on free bags sounds ludicrous.

    #1546012

    DaasYochid ☕
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    This whole plastic bax tax makes zero sense legally speaking.

    Don’t think of it as a sales tax, which is a percentage, so that indeed would not be applicable to free items.

    Rather, it’s a fee on giving out free bags. Why is that illegal?

    Some states and municipalities have already banned or put a fee on bags, and I don’t know of any that were deemed unconstitutional.

    #1546057

    Takes2-2tango
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    Dass yachid:
    Rather, it’s a fee on giving out free bags. Why is that illegal?

    Some states and municipalities have already banned or put a fee on bags, and I don’t know of any that were deemed unconstitutional.
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    So according to your logic ,if stores now decide to charge 4 bags for a penny then the government can no longer add thier 5 cent fee because i paid for the bags??

    #1546110

    DaasYochid ☕
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    So according to your logic ,if stores now decide to charge 4 bags for a penny then the government can no longer add thier 5 cent fee because i paid for the bags??

    No.

    #1546148

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    So what your saying is that stores that have been selling bags for years at 5 cents a pop will now be costing an additional 5 cents , making it 10 cents a bag?

    #1546150

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    Dass yachid. Your not making any sense. . Your contradicting yourself .sorry buddy.

    #1546372

    icemelter
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    Imagine if you need everything double bagged,ouch. Wait so is the cashier going to have to ask your permission every time they need to double bag if your items are heavy? It would be so funny seeing all the hard headed protesters using only one bag and having all their groceries splatter all over the floor as the bag rips in order to rebel against the system. I’d probably be one of those people if I had to pay for plastic bags.

    Whats next are they going to charge you extra for sitting down on a bus?

    #1546404

    TheGoq
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    First off lets stop calling them free bags the store pays for them, as a cashier a customer will sometimes ask to take an extra bag and that is fine some customers try to take 10 bags as they leave this is not fine, the store expects us to use as few bags as possible and to fill them up. However i often double bag without asking if i feel it is needed, and their are different quality of bags the bag you get in say a dollar store is inferior to the bags we use. I don’t consider myself an environmentalist but plastic bags are awful for the environment, if this causes people to use reusable bags i say it is for the better. The town where i live just enacted a similar law and i know that customers will gripe about it but that is what they do best.

    #1546398

    ShmullyGreen
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    If you’ve ever used a milk carton in the United States you’d realize that we already have the technology to make good enough paper receptacles that are recyclable. It’s no longer about ‘Saving the Whales’: we are eating the fish that are eating the plastic we throw out.

    #1546390

    Shopping613
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    making a fee for bags instead of taxing it makes even less sense. It’s essentially a law illegalizing presents and instead requiring a sale.

    #1546616

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    So what you guys are saying is that stores that have been selling bags for years at 5 cents a pop will now be costing an additional 5 cents because of this tax/fee , making it 10 cents a bag?

    #1546626

    Meno
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    Takes2-2tango,

    The law can very easily be worded so that it makes sense. I really don’t get what your issue is with this whole thing.

    I agree that the law would be annoying, but I don’t think you’re making any good arguments against it.

    #1546907

    yehudayona
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    ShmullyGreen, I have no idea what you’re talking about. What do paper milk cartons have to do with single-use plastic shopping bags? And what do fish have to do with it?

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