July 6, 2011 1:01 am at 1:01 am #597813Pac / ManMember
How many feet is within the Techum Shabbos? From where do you start counting? How is it applied differently in the city versus the country?July 6, 2011 3:58 am at 3:58 am #783132DepotMember
You don’t start counting until you leave the city, past the last house. In the country the homes are spread out, so you begin counting once you have open space.July 6, 2011 4:13 am at 4:13 am #783133
Techum Shabbos does no apply in the city. It starts 70 Amos from the boundary of the city. Sounds simple? Not exactly. How are the boundaries determined?
Here are some links from OU I found. There are others but I have no idea who they are. I didnt access these so I can not tell you how helpful they are, but they for sure are going to be more accurate than what you can expect from the CR crowdJuly 6, 2011 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #783134
links 1 2 &4 are identical,an audio Shiur, Listened for a few minutes sounds good dont know how much practical info.
http://www.ou.org/torah/ti/5766/beshalach66.htm very very brief article no practical infoJuly 6, 2011 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #783135DepotMember
Techum Shabbos does no apply in the city. It starts 70 Amos from the boundary of the city.
What constitutes a city for this purpose?July 6, 2011 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #783136
Depot I anticipated a question of this sort, and therefore wrote
Sounds simple? Not exactly. How are the boundaries determined?
making it very clear that I am not equipped tp write a MiniShiur in Hilchos Eruvin.
The ball is in your court. What did you mean when you wrote
cityinJuly 6, 2011 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #783137metrodriverMember
Depot (Not the home or shoe variety, I hope.)
The 70 Amos (140ft.) rule (from where to start counting the 2000
Amos that one is permitted to walk on Shabbos outside the city limits) does not necessarily apply at the city boundary but applies within any rural area. More specifically, it applies in the country. If the distance between each house is less than 140ft. it is considered within city limits and we do not start counting the 2000 amos (4,000ft.)July 6, 2011 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #783138
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Here is a quote from an on line referrence source
Normally, one can walk anywhere in his city or town on such days, but only within that area and up to 2000 cubits past the city limits. (The definition of “city limits” in Jewish law is beyond the scope of this article. Suffice it to say that it relates to the area which is actually populated, and not to the political borders of a municipality.) If one needs to travel farther than that, he can leave some food in a certain location prior to that holiday or Sabbath. This will temporarily establish his home as at the location of the food, allowing him to travel 2000 cubits from the food. There are many other details beyond the scope of this article
WELL SAIDJuly 6, 2011 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #783140HaLeiViParticipant
What is wrong with discussing Torah? Say what you can and be clear that there is more to it.
One interesting Halacha of a city is that it is always square/rectangle. If a house sticks out of the others, you extend the imaginary city wall until after 70 Amos from that house. Also, if you have three towns in a setup of a Segol and one of them fits between the other two, you view it as if it is there, and if that would fill the gap of 140 Amos on both sides, all three are considered one city.July 6, 2011 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #783141
Say what you canlike
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