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June 19, 2012 6:25 am at 6:25 am #603822theyeshivabochurMember
it is forbidden to speak while wearing tefilin shel rosh and shel yad, but is it forbidden to speak while wearing only tefilin shel yad?
theyeshivabochurJune 19, 2012 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #894745
I don’t get the question. It’s not Assur to speak while wearing Tefillin. It is Assur to speak in between putting on the Shel Yad and Shel Rosh.June 19, 2012 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #894746ItcheSrulikMember
You have it backwards.June 19, 2012 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #894747R.T.Participant
Great Tzaddikim would be very careful not to speak when wearing even one Tefilla. Whether it’s truly assur or not, speak to your L.O.R. It seems from your question that you are taking the Tefillin off at the end of Shachris and having just taken off the Shel Rosh, you need to say something, your Tefilla Shel Yad is still on. If so, my eitza (check with your Rav!) would be to tuck your shirt underneath the Bayit (Shel Yad) so that now there is a Chatzitza between the Bayit and the arm, which technically means you are not wearing it…June 19, 2012 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #894748yaff80Participant
It is assur to speak whilst wearing Teffilin AND between putting on the shel yad and shel Rosh.
I understand the question to be: May one speak once the shel rosh have been removed but the shel yad is still on?
Not that it is right, I have seen som people who raise their shel rosh slightly off their head so they can speak, and put back in situ when they have finished talking!
The story is told about the Rebbe in the city of Sanz who saw some bochurim talking during davening on chol hamoed. The story goes that the rebbe said it is better to wear teffilin on chol hamoed and not talk during davening, than to not wear teffilin but to talk. It appears that some people who are descendants from the kehilla of sanz have the minhag therefore that bochurim wear teffilin on chol hamoed but married men do not!
Can anyone confirm this story?June 19, 2012 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #894749ItcheSrulikMember
It is perfectly muttar to speak in tefillin as long as you are not “masiach da’as” or speak with kalus rosh. For this reason, many people don’t speak in their tefillin, but halacha is halacha.June 19, 2012 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #894750moishyParticipant
You are allowed to speak with your tefillin on! What’s the question??June 21, 2012 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #894752theyeshivabochurMember
Thank you all for the eizes
TheyeshivebochurJune 22, 2012 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #894753dash™Participant
It appears that some people who are descendants from the kehilla of sanz have the minhag therefore that bochurim wear teffilin on chol hamoed but married men do not!
The minhag exists but not for this reason. The reason Tefillin is not worn by married men is Kabalistic in nature and since unmarried men aren’t involved with kabalistic issues they follow the basic Halacha.August 28, 2012 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #894754
It is not assur to speak while wearing tefillin. it’s assur to engage in frivolous or mundane conversation, but if it’s for a mitzvah then it’s ok, as you long as you’re not talking during davening.
when removing, there is a custom not to interrupt, but the practice is not accordance with this custom.
“Not that it is right, I have seen som people who raise their shel rosh slightly off their head so they can speak, and put back in situ when they have finished talking!” My rav said this is very bad b/c you’re obligating yourself in making a new bracha. you canNOT lift up the shel rosh.August 29, 2012 1:47 am at 1:47 am #894755
You r defntly NOT obligating yourself to make a bracha.
Your Rov said this?!
Are you sure??
Why is this worse than re-donning them after going to the bathroom?August 30, 2012 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #894756
Some repeat the bracha after going to the bathroom.
REALIST: Are you saying that it’s OK to lift up the shel rosh to talk b/c then it’s considered like you’re not wearing tefillin, and you just can’t keep your mouth shut?August 30, 2012 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #894757RebRYMember
There is such a minhag for a bucher to wear tefillin Chol Hamoed. The Satmar Rebbe ZT”L held that bucherim should wear tefillin, when I was a bucher I put on tefillin at home W/O a brucha. It is based on Tzanzer Ruv ZT”L who held a bucher should not do anything that has to do with kabuleh. He also held that a bucher should daven nisach ashkenaz but that is not done today. As far as talking I know the Mishneh brira says not to talk devurim betailim with tefillin. I have seen people who lift up the shel rosh if they need to talk.August 30, 2012 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #894758
DO NOT GO PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!
NO!! I HAVE NEVER LIFTED UP MY SHEL ROSH THINKING THAT IT ENABLES ME TO SPEAK!
AND WHAT IN MY WORDS LED YOU TO INFER THAT LUDICROUS THOUGHT?
LASTLY, THE ‘SOME’ THAT YOU REFER TO THAT MAKE ANOTHER BRACHA AFTER THE BATHROOM, WOULD YOU PLEASE ENLIGHTEN THE REST OF US IGNORAMI AS TO WHOSE PSAK THAT IS DONE?????August 31, 2012 5:19 am at 5:19 am #894759
Realist: You are Vadai Chayav to make new Brachos on T’fillin after going to the bathroom. That’s B’feirush in the Shulchan Aruch.
Lifting up would be an interesting Shaila to discuss. On the one hand, they are doing it because they think it’s Assur to speak with them on. Hence, it would be an Assur time to wear T’fillin and therefore a new Bracha would be required when putting them back on. On the other hand, that Halachah might only be defined by place, not time. Also, the people are wrong because it is Muttar to talk with T’fillin on. Hence, what they think shouldn’t really matter because it’s not actually an Assur time to wear T’fillin. I would think that the Halachah is that because the person knows that he may do it at the time that he puts them on and because he puts them back immediately after lifting them up (unless it’s an extended conversation, though the amount of time may not be relevant and based on a Be’ur Halachah in Hilchos Tzitzis you may have up to 2 or 3 hours with them lifted up) then he would not have to make a new Bracha after just lifting the T’fillin up.August 31, 2012 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #894760
It’s not that simple.
According to many it’s dependant on g’dolim or k’tanim.
Accordingly, many pasken that due to sofek b’rachos we don’t make the b’rachos again.
You are correct though, that it is 100% muttar to speak with t’fillin. And as usual, people are way more makpid on chumros than halachos.
One of the craziest examples was ther time I saw someone lift his shel rosh a bit to be able to speak loshon horo!!September 4, 2012 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #894761
SAM2: Correct. But it IS assur to talk with tefillin if the conversation is frivolous or something like that. to say a few words is fine.September 4, 2012 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #894762myls87Member
Not entirely relevant but still on the Tefilin subject….I recently found out that my Tefilin were written by a sofer by the name of R’ Yisroel Rosensweig from EY and that they are worth a lot of money. Is anyone familiar with him and what makes his Tefilin so valuable? Thank you.September 4, 2012 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #894763
Realist: No. It might be dependent on what type of bathroom it is (say a place with only a urinal might be a Machlokes), but not what you’re doing in there. (Though I guess since we consider our bathrooms a Sfeka D’dina we might have to say Safek Brachos L’hakel after entering one of them, which would make this all quite interesting. But the Pashtus is as I wrote it.)
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