July 22, 2018 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #1562642
When we were children we lived in the sunset years of the Gedolei Europe who survived Churban Europe and came to America and Eretz Yisroel. We still at the time had them to turn to. We are now lacking that great light. We are bereft children missing our leaders. Our fathers who lived, breathed and became great men of Torah leadership in the old world. A world where there were so many great leaders. A world where our mesorah was strong and passed down from generation to generation, from father to son. A world where Torah was steeped into the ground we walked on and in the walls of our shuls, yeshivos and homes.
A world that we lost. Today we also have great Torah leaders. While they learnt from the greats who walked the streets of the old world baked into its thousand years of Torah greatness, they aren’t all that was.
When will we have back what once was? When will the Ribono Shel Olam rebuild our Beis HaMikdash?July 23, 2018 10:48 am at 10:48 am #1562839
if i was ever wondering if you were joseph, I think this clinched itJuly 23, 2018 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1563168
While I’m not sure the Coffee Room was around during the time of the transition from rishonim to the next several millienia of chazal, I’m certain similar nostalgic sentiments were circulated by Slominer’s (aks Joseph’s) ancestorsJuly 23, 2018 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1563132
(Syag, let’s give the benefit of the doubt, a day after Tisha B’av, something retained of the yearning…. the mood of the day… maybe someone means it for real…)July 23, 2018 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1563246
Demeaning to the gedolei Torah of our time. Not appropriate for a public discussion.July 23, 2018 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1563340
Every generation have their own gedolim הכהן אשר יהי’ בימים ההם, יפתח בדורו כשמואל בדורו.July 23, 2018 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #1563388
It’s not demeaning to our current Gedolim to say they’re not as big as the ones from years ago.July 23, 2018 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1563419
Froggie – not sure what your hopping in on. There was nothing anti tisha baav about that post. Nobody said he didnt mean it.July 23, 2018 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1563429
I’m sorry. I didn’t realize your intent.I apologize. (I didn’t mean to write that you wrote something “anti Tisha baav”, I just meant that maybe something of tisha ba’av made him reflect as he posted. I know my writing and thoughts always come out so garbled…) Again, I apologize.July 24, 2018 12:29 am at 12:29 am #1563485
if we want our gedolei Hador back together with the nevi’im & tzaddikim etc…. THEN WE NEED TO DO TESHUVA & stop living in DENIAL thinking we can fool Hashem that we are not seeing his tragic wake up calls for us to do teshuva together as a nationJuly 24, 2018 1:17 am at 1:17 am #1563517
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The rav whom I heard speak between minchah and maariv on Tish’ah b’Av
expressed similar sentiments about the lack of comparable gedolim today
to those of yesteryear (specifically mentioning Reb Moshe and Rav Elyashiv).July 24, 2018 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1563808
Yiftach b’doro k’Shmuel b’doroJuly 26, 2018 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #1565756
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That’s a rule for how we relate to them, not how great they are.July 29, 2018 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #1566694
So work on becoming one of them. The Rabbi Miller’s and Rabbi Gifter’s of the world grew up in as alien an environment for Torah greatness as our own, yet they shaped American Torah Jewry. No reason why you can’tJuly 30, 2018 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1567047
The heading for this thread clearly references those gadolim from the alte heim who B’H were able to make it to the U.S. or EY and were the bedrock foundation of the great yeshivos and mosdos we are fortunate enough to have today through their mesiras nefesh. However, there is no need for “comparison” (aka greater than, lesser than etc) of their gadlus. The rabbonim they inspired with their efforts and constitute the leadership of the tzibur today may result in the same comparisons being made the next generation of CR posters (aka yearning for the gadolim of the 2020s and 2030s).July 30, 2018 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1567023
“It’s not demeaning to our current Gedolim to say THEY”RE NOT AS BIG as the ones from years ago”
I see this comment or equivalent words over and over again on postings in various threads. There are also numerous postings seemingly engaging in Trumpian hyperbole about Gadol A being “bigger than” Gadol B. However, no one ever seems to amplify or clarify such comparisons by clearly stating what metric of “gadlus” they are using and what objective standards form the basis for their conclusion. Obviously this is all subjective and I suspect everyone is working off their own metrics but as has been noted here more than once, there is nothing per se that endows either the tzibur of the alte heim and their rabbonim, askanim or minhagim with inherently greater kedushah than those of today. Its all relative and in that regard, subjective. Its borderline mevazeh talmeidei chachamim to paint with such a broad brush and characterize all of today’s gadolim as inferior to those of pre-War Europe.July 30, 2018 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #1567190
ghd: Please read at your leisure:July 30, 2018 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #1567251
Joseph. Thank you for the link. Some of the comments from 7 years ago seem to resonate with some of the the same points as those here…the futility of trying to “rank” gadolim by any objective metric while simultaneously acknowledging there was something unique and likely never to be replicated with those who were able to keep alive and spread the spark of torah -based yiddeshkeit after the shoah.
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