October 12, 2011 4:57 am at 4:57 am #599934
Why not the yungerliet? I never knew once you gave a girl a ring it pattured you from mitzvos. Truth be told R Matisyahu is the mashgiach of america..so all i can do is try to understand. Is it because he cant? Because they wont listen anyways. I hold of lakewood (bet 3rd and 8th st :)) and that alot of ppl would listen so why not?October 12, 2011 5:06 am at 5:06 am #817660optimusprimeMember
Being on a lower level than Rav Matisyahu Salomon Shlita, I go by his pask without question.October 12, 2011 5:07 am at 5:07 am #817661Bar ShattyaMember
its not zabout alot its about rov.October 12, 2011 5:11 am at 5:11 am #817662
Why is it not about alot? If its asur and youl get even one more person isnt that enough?
And i agree we are lower..just trying to understand it. (i knnow im a nobody to evn say that but..you get my point)October 12, 2011 5:16 am at 5:16 am #817663TweetTweetParticipant
A friend of mine asked R’ Yerucham Olshin after the shmuz why the ban is only for the Bochurim. He said that it’s just a start. I think Yeshiva has more leverage over Bochurim, being that they dorm there and eat there, and therefore they could threaten to take these things away.October 12, 2011 5:21 am at 5:21 am #817664
Tweet- Youve made my night! thanks, did not know that.October 12, 2011 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #817665Derech HaMelechMember
It makes sense. the average bochur is more likely to get in trouble with texting than a married one. I don’t mean that he will, just that there is more of a chance.
In E”Y almost nobody has texting, even yungerleit. The kosher phones only have calling and voice mail and that is what everyone uses since they are cheaper as well.October 12, 2011 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #817666zahavasdadParticipant
I dont normally text. Yesterday I met up with an old friend for the first time in a long time.
He had asked me to text him so I was, When I saw him I remembered why. He is hard of hearing and wears a Hearing Aid while he can hear with it in person, I think he has trouble hearing people on the phone.
Before things are “banned” remember while most probably dont need to text, there are some people who doOctober 12, 2011 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #817667akupermaParticipant
Does it apply to use the telephone (for voice or fax) and the ATM machines (which are simply specialized internet connections)? What about using the government mail service which tracks certain packages with the internet? Will use of checking account be permitted (since all banks run their business via internet connections)?
So what are they objecting to? Probably something less than internet use.October 12, 2011 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #817668mw13Participant
Why do you assume exceptions aren’t made where necessary? I personally know a young man with hearing aids who got special permission from his Rosh Yeshiva to have a cell phone.October 12, 2011 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #817669matziv chapperMember
use you head and stop maching leitonus with the psak of gedoilim
we are a na’aseh venishmna nation, not nishmah and then na’aseh
see the Gedoilim thread in CR for more details
speak to the gedoilim before speaking such a way in referance to such a psakOctober 15, 2011 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #817670ToiParticipant
akuperma- shame on you to mock groise yidden.October 16, 2011 12:19 am at 12:19 am #817671NechomahParticipant
Personally I feel that a bochur has virtually no reason to be texting anybody. If he’s learning in Lakewood, then that is what he’s supposed to be doing – LEARNING. His mother will simply have to call him or wait for him to call bein hasedarim in order to speak to him. If there is an emergency, there are probably other means to get ahold of him in such cases.
A yungerman, on the other hand, does have other people out there who are dependent on him. Maybe his wife should do the same as the bochur’s mother, I’m not sure, but really what is texting used for? I’m in EY and, as mentioned above, do not have such capabilities on my phone.October 16, 2011 1:18 am at 1:18 am #817672
Nechomah-The yungerman 20 yrs ago was able to take care of all his responsiblities w/o texting…what changed. Learning is only to be disrupted for pikuach nefesh….for that you can pick up the phone and dial.October 16, 2011 5:13 am at 5:13 am #817673NechomahParticipant
Y20, I agree. My husband only has calling capabilities. I remember that almost 20 years ago, the only way to get ahold of a yungerman in Brisk was to call the public phone. Cell phones are a far cry from that already. Most yeshivos here have a policy to shut them off during the seder. Too many phones going off and it was very disruptive. Most men would at least try to keep it on vibrate, but still, can they concentrate? I would try not to call until after minchah if I needed something unless it was an EMERGENCY!!October 16, 2011 5:25 am at 5:25 am #817674good.jewMember
Can someone please explain –
I beleive that Lakewood requires all cell phones to be OFF in the beis medrash. If so, why is this ban needed? Who cares what is done during non-seder hours?October 16, 2011 10:09 am at 10:09 am #8176752scentsParticipant
This ban leads us to believe that Lakewood does not have a requirement to shut cell phones in middle of seder.
That’s what’s mashme from this takanah.October 17, 2011 3:54 am at 3:54 am #817676good.jewMember
2scents – there is a ban
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