November 28, 2019 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1805695anonymous JewParticipant
So, did every one remember to say Hallel today?November 28, 2019 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #1805709JosephParticipant
Thanksgiving was created as a Christian holiday.November 28, 2019 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #1805712WhatsaktomeParticipant
Thanks giving is a good thing for the goyim, it’s good for them to recognize hashem, it has nothing to do with yoshkeNovember 28, 2019 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #1805708
Yup. With a BrachaNovember 28, 2019 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1805716
It is ironic that a turkey is called תרנגול הודו which means also a rooster of thanks.November 28, 2019 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #1805720
Yabia Omer,, aren’t you sefard who don’t make a bracha on Rosh Chodesh halel?November 28, 2019 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1805725
First of all who says I am Sephardic. Secondly not ALL Sephardim omit a Bracha on Rosh Chodesh. Gotta educate yourselves.November 28, 2019 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1805732MilhouseParticipant
Eastern Sefardim don’t say a beracha on half hallel. Western Sefardim say Ligmor Et Hahallel on whole hallel, and Likro Et Hahallel on half hallel.
Shearith Israel, the oldest kehilla in America, says “1/4 hallel” on Thanksgiving, starting from Hallelu Et Hashem Kol Goyim. Obviously without a beracha. But today of course they said half hallel with a beracha.November 28, 2019 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1805731
Yabia Omer, there is an argument between the Rabbenu Taam and the Rambam if the saying of an unnecessary brocho is assur biblically because of Lo Siso which is the view of the Rambam see SA O’CH 215,4 or rabbinically as the Rabbenu Taam see the Tosafos Rosh Hashana 33,1. If women make a brocho on a time dependent mitzva is related to this argument. Halel on Rosh Chodesh is only a custom. so according to the Mechaber above a brocho should not be made. In SA O’CH 422,2 according to one view holds that in tzibur you do make a brocho. Could be that this view holds that Halel betzibur is not only a minhag but parsimei nisei.November 28, 2019 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #1805741MilhouseParticipant
By the way among the Rishonim this is not an Ashkenazi / Sefardi split. Rashi held that one does not say a bracha on half hallel.November 29, 2019 6:27 am at 6:27 am #1805778Sam KleinParticipant
Thanksgiving holiday is completely a American holiday and has no religion or Christianity related to it which is why there are some frum families that eat a kosher turkey on thanksgiving day. We yidden are also Americans (for those living in the United States) And need to appreciate the freedom we were given to live openly as frum yidden and dressed as yidden without living in fear.
May we all start to be thankful directly to Hashem for everything we are given 24-7November 29, 2019 7:00 am at 7:00 am #1805785american_yerushalmiParticipant
There are different options among the rabbonim about celebrating Thanksgiving. Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l allowed a turkey dinner. I think Rav Gifter zt”l also allowed it.
Rav Hutner zt” l held it’s forbidden. Rav Avigdor Miller zt”l was vehemently opposed to any Thanksgiving celebrations.
We are surely required to evince endless gra6to Hashem for creating the malchus shel chessed. This ought to be year round, not specifically on the last Thursday in November.November 29, 2019 9:35 am at 9:35 am #1805795
Some North African communities also say a Bracha “likro” for half Hallel.November 29, 2019 10:19 am at 10:19 am #1805825anonymous JewParticipant
Joseph, I guess you consider a sense of humor to be a Christian creation too.
I assume you’re basing your statement on the Pilgrim story. In fact, the first official Thanksgiving Day was declared in 1789 by George Washington thanking hashem for the Constitution. It also marked the first time a Rabbi was asked to deliver a benediction at a government function . Observed intermittently, intermittently over the next 70+ years, it was established by Executive order as an annual holiday in November 1863 by Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War and established by law in 1941 by FDR.
Last time I checked, presidents do not establish Christian holidays. Do churches hold services? Yes, but so has the Spanish and Portuguese Synogogue since 1789.
Just because shuls say hallel on Yom Haatzmaos doesn’t make it a Yom Tov.
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