July 12, 2010 3:38 am at 3:38 am #591944WIYMember
I was sitting and thinking how the 9 days have started and I dont feel any different whatsoever. Contemplating that thought has made me sad which is the avodah of this time. It made me realize how far away I am from truly feeling the loss of the Bais Hamikdosh. It has to bother us that the Bais Hamikdosh hasnt been rebuilt and the shechinah is in golus. If that doesnt bother us, then at least the fact that we arent bothered should pain us and bother us.July 12, 2010 10:49 am at 10:49 am #689558Be HappyParticipant
My sister and I were talking how everyone is washing and doing their last preparations for the nine days. All houses are clean and beautiful, if only in preparation for Moshiach!July 12, 2010 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #689559
Tishah B’Av is a really sad day for me, but these days I have to work on myself to shed tears when I read Megiallas Eichah or kinos because as a mother of kids b”H my mind is focused on different things, not just the churban.
I will try to be more heartbroken about the churban this year and work on myself that the knowledge that the Schinah is golus should be in my thoughts the entire day.
I think that as much as we try to remember the pain and devastation of the days that the two Bais Hamikdosh were destroyed, since it is over two thousand years since the Second Bais Hamikdosh was destroyed, the most powerful way we can envision the destruction as they say in Yiddish oif inser hoit on our own skins is to link what we are saying in Eicha and the kinos to our current world and personal situations.
Eichah yushvah badud, I sit and think about our holy Yerushalyim hair rabasi there are a lot of inhabitents in the city, but um hoysa kalmana she is still like an abandoned almanah .She is LIKE an almanah not AN almanah because her husband will return- the husband is a reference to Hashem. Even in these days with Yerushalayim being a bustling city the Shchinah has abondand us because of our sins, rabusi bgoyim serasi b’mdinos she once was big and respected between the goyim and today hoysu lumum, the world feels that they need to preside over Yerushalyim and dictate to Yerusahlyaim its policies. There are building freezes and opening of borders to dangerous terrorist because of world dictates.July 12, 2010 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #689560Be HappyParticipant
I have been thinking: Perhaps we need to have a more positive attitude, a feeling that Moshiach is coming – even before Tisha Bav this year!July 12, 2010 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #689561apushatayidParticipant
“The 9 days have started so what?”
There is a lecture from Rabbi Orlofsky on (Ithink this is proper spelling – I have it bookmarked and havent paid attention to the spelling in a while) torahanytime.com titled “the Bais Hamikdash is not here, who cares?” which attempts to help those who have the “so what” feeling and change it to a “oy vey”. It is worth the listen.July 12, 2010 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #689562WIYMember
Thinking positive wont bring Moshiach. We know why the Bais Hamikdash was destroyed. Until we do something about rectifying those aveiros it wont be rebuilt. Thinking positive is nice but really isn’t effective. When someone is sick you dont tell the person, think positive. If a person needs medicine they must go for the medicine. If they need surgery they get surgery. Thinking positive will not make the disease go away. Same thing, we need action. Thinking positive will not bring Moshiach. It is only after rectifying the sins that brought about the churban that we can even begin to think positively that Moshiach will come because then he really will.July 12, 2010 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #689563kavehParticipant
Amen!July 12, 2010 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #689564
Perhaps we need to have a more positive attitude, a feeling that Moshiach is coming – even before Tisha Bav this year!
We need to genuinely mourn the churban to truly yearn for the geulah.
And when we truly yearn for the geulah we can be hopeful of Moshiach’s immininent arrival.July 12, 2010 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #689565
WIY, you are right. It is vital that we learn the lessons of the churban.July 14, 2010 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #689567Dave HirschParticipant
This topic is an extremely important topic, as we know it is for the Shechina we mourn. We all know how stringent the Halachos of mourning is, to alleviate pain from the Neshama. Thousands of Minhagim are done to pertain to the Kavod of the Niftar. Kal Vachomer when we mourn for the Schechina’s home, how we should mourn. I dedicated a thread for the Halachos and Minhagim of mourning for the Beis Hamikdash year-round (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/zecher-lachurban). It would be appropriate to discuss (and do) these Halachos on such sad days.
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