November 23, 2023 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #2242042👑RebYidd23Participant
Somehow, even though we’ve been over this millions of times, it keeps happening. When it comes to antisemitism, people lose the ability to understand a word’s meaning and become compelled to take it apart to its roots to misinterpret it. To make matters worse, most of them don’t even bake a dessert to make up for it!November 23, 2023 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #2242073
Reb, I doubt most here have not read Amelia Bedelia. You may have to explain it to them.November 23, 2023 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #2242086☕️coffee addictParticipant
There is a Jewish form of Amelia bediliaNovember 23, 2023 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #2242102
Coffee addict, have you. ever read Amelia Bedelia?November 24, 2023 11:07 am at 11:07 am #2242168☕️coffee addictParticipant
Yes I have
You make it sound like frum Jews are uniform
But anyways I’m a Baal Teshuva (albeit at a youngish age)
Anyways the Jewish form made shabbos and messed up everything (like put the soup on the stove and she just put it there etc)November 24, 2023 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #2242195
@Amil Zola, edited. Yes as a kid, every kids book shelf had a collection of Amelia Bedelia books. They were next to the front doors in Jewish toy stores, and where available in our elementary school libraries.
I know you like to think of us as uneducated brainwashed fools who won’t eat breakfast unless we ask a shailah to our Rav.
You need to open your eyes and mind and stop believing the fantasies that you read and project about us.
EditedNovember 24, 2023 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #2242196
Actually I do recognize some frumma may read Amelia B, but since I don’t assume I ask. I remember first reading AB and realized it was just a retelling of Bartleby the Scrivener by Melville although for a younger audience.November 24, 2023 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #2242204amiricanyeshivishParticipant
I did too and I am FFB. I think most people did.November 26, 2023 10:58 am at 10:58 am #2242437
@Amil, I am from chasidish stock [ actually from a rebbish family] I read Curious George as a very young child, went on to Amilea Bedelia, to Mark Twain and Jack London etc. That being said I would seriously hesitate to expose children these days to the books out there, you can hardly find a book there that is not peddling absolute drivel about diversity, environmentalism etc.
I echo whitecar thoughts about how you view Chasidish / Black Hat people, anytime you are ready to come from PWN to the NY metro region I will be glad to introduce you to some very successful Doctors, Lawyers, Business owners even some members of NYPD who have beards, payis and do not feel compelled to hid ones yiddishkiet,November 26, 2023 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #2242553
True, libraries do not have or hide those books, but you can buy them either ata library book sale or at a estate sale in any educated neighborhood. The tick is more to make kids read them. I read London to the kids when they were little, but further progress stalled when they got socialized into “math is hard” and “classics is boring”. With Twain, I esigned to just quote his witticisms, starting with the most appropriate “when I came back home, I found out that my father became much smarter”.
As to “hiding”, I don’t think this is a deciding factor in yiddishkeit level – Sephardim, for example, dressed like Spaniards or Arabs for centuries, often keeping their Yehadut at home, and survived with more or less same success/failure as Ashkenazim.November 26, 2023 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #2242575maskildoreshParticipant
I don’t think that Amelia Bedeila is connected in any way to the great Bartelby, who prefers not to.
The unfortunate message that the books give over is that good cooking can allow stupidity and wilful irresponsiblity to be overlooked and forgiven. There are others who share that view.
I missed the intent of the original post completely. Please elaborate.November 26, 2023 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #2242576maskildoreshParticipant
Therese Raquin is far better literature.November 27, 2023 12:27 am at 12:27 am #2242624Yserbius123Participant
@Amil Zola “Bartleby the Scrivener”? In what way? Bartleby didn’t take things literally, he (for some unclear reason) had a drive to be a scrivener, copying down legal documents, and was mentally incapable of doing anything else.November 27, 2023 8:31 am at 8:31 am #2242673
@AAQ, way off topic, the only reason I even mentioned this is because of Amil’s gratuitous cheap shot at the black hat and chasidish communities, she was not taking a cheap shot at the historical norms of the Sefardish community, try to stick to the topic at hand.November 27, 2023 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #2242744
Hmm it’s a darned if you do and darned if you don’t position I’m in. Because I asked a clarifying question rather than just assuming. Oh well at 70+ years old and being on the internet since the 80s disparagement of my posts have no impact on me. I grew up in a household where literature wasn’t censored, although I’m in contact with others, both in my family and community who do censor their childrens reading materials.
Ad meah v’esrim!November 27, 2023 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #2242793
@Amil Zola, my comment was not just in reference to what you wrote here. I see your posts all over the place, and it’s clear you have this biased assumption of what FFBs are.November 27, 2023 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #2242824
@Amil, its not just this post but in general the dismissive nature of post in regards to charadi and chasidim, this is what you wrote “Reb, I doubt most here have not read Amelia Bedelia. You may have to explain it to them.” does that sound like a clarifying question or a put down?
Being that you live in the PWN I doubt if you have interactions with Charadi/Chasidish people on a daily basis.
PS My offer stands, in fact I can introduce you to several people of FT 500 list, bankers, and insurance companies owners who are proud charadi/ chasidish in addition to the doctors and lawyer I mentioned before.November 27, 2023 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #2242861
White car (in a black hat?), I think she has certain presumptions about certain communities, not about any ffbs. You are, probably unconsciously, denying that other traditions are also organically observant.November 28, 2023 11:27 am at 11:27 am #2242953
@always_ask_questions fair point. Ffbs is a very broad term. Black hats might be more appropriate in this context.November 28, 2023 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #2243136
whitecar, right, this is a more reasonable claim. But, then, you should not be upset so much at her – a black hat seems to be a self-imposed symbol of rejecting any changes to the society that happened after Jews and non-Jews were wearing similar (often cheaper) hats & clothes 300 years ago.
That would exclude Amelia/Bedelia. You are free to disprove this assumption, but she is just responding to the message. Of course, it is easy to avid being sterotyped by going to an even older tradition of Rambam – I do not mean a turban or a kefiya, but nice and clean clothes, not too rich, not too poor, not attracting attention (Deot 5:9)November 28, 2023 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #2243140
@ Amil its beyond me how anyone could even remotely construe this as a question, “Reb, I doubt most here have not read Amelia Bedelia. You may have to explain it to them.” in reality it’s a cheap shot edited
PS Not only have my kids read Amilia Bedelia and all the classics, they also know who Van Gogh, Rembrandt and Monet are, and who Beethoven, Bach and Chopin are, they all wear chasidisher Levush, speak a flawless English and send the kids to chasidisher yeshivas.
To quote @white car “I know you like to think of us as uneducated brainwashed fools who won’t eat breakfast unless we ask a shailah to our Rav.
You need to open your eyes and mind and stop believing the fantasies that you read and project about us.”
I think an apology from you would be a nice start.November 29, 2023 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #2243354
common, not that I consider people who did not read Amelia Shmodelia uneducated, but your comparison is not fully fair: you are probably somewhat an outlier in your community.
Rather than comparing two communities – blac v stam hats – by an average person, let me compare by the higher ones. A typical gemora class in a black hat community starts with tannaim and ends with R Feinstein. In a modernishe class, discussion also goes into Roman civil law, Rambam’s reference to Plato, supreme court cases in 1970s, 19th century Germany, and a latest book or paper by one of the class participants.. Does not mean that the black hat class does not anyone to discuss Plato, but not enough to have a joint discussion.November 30, 2023 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #2243553
@AAQ, I never asked for an apology from you, you may have been guilty of going off topic and discussing MO vs Chasidish /Charedi, you were not the one who took a cheap shot at these communities.
@ Amil, it’s a shame you were not in the East Coast this week, I would have gotten you tickets to the Orthodox Consruction trade show, in where there was 100’s of booths of various companies involved in construction with the average company booking 50M in annual sales. [ps the owner may or may not know who Amilia B is, but he has a net worth 100X of yours]
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