The Chassidishe Gatesheader

Attempts to identify members of the CR are inappropriate, creepy and should not be permitted. There is absolutely no reason why a witch hunt should be launched because YOU feel that you might know who this person is.

He/She is a person who is here to post his/her opinions. Leave the person alone. This stalking thread should be closed.

My point is who cares if the person is or is not a Chasid from Gateshead. Whatever. It’s an online nickname. I don’t see a purpose in trying to find out who people are from an online forum.

If there’s a concern of impersonation, fine, deal with the people who run this forum. But, in my opinion, public postings trying to figure out who someone is or is not are creepy.

Someone who is a sympathisant of Neturei Karta, is either a NK himself or a fanatic Satmer.

The Chassidishe Gatesheader says:

“I feel that NK do a great job in showing the entire world that not all Jews are Zionists. I have *personally* spoken to Arabs who said that in the past they absolutely hated Jews but, since they heard NK somewhere, they would no longer attack Jews in the streets – because they knew not every Chareidi Jew is a Zionist, and that some are actually anti-Zionist.”

NK participated in a Holocaust denial conference in Iran, and embraced Iran’s despot leader. The Chilul Hashem is unlimited. How can any Jew speak positively about NK???

I wonder if in a previous gilgul he insisted on staying in France, Germany or Poland because the Nazis were obviously talking about other Jews (respectively, German Jews whom they considered traitors during WWI, Polish Jews whom they looked down upon as foreign and primitive and Russian Jews whom the considered to be Communists).

Actually, I am indeed for real. The idea behind my name is that it provides ‘some’ anonimity but not too much.

@Avi K – nobody ever said you’re not allowed to flee. Similarly, nothing prevents Jews right now from fleeing Eretz Yisroel due to the danger of war with Iran. The unstable political / military situation in that area is certainly one of the reasons that contributed to me moving back to Europe. Here the risk of getting a knife in my back or being blown up on a bus or soon having Kassams flying around is a bit lower.

Now, would you care to name one single godol who said people should remain in Europe when the real troubles started? Everyone went as far as they could – those who could, fled anywhere they could: Russia, America, England, Eretz Yisroel – Mir even went to China! Nobody ever said we should sit in one place and let ourselves be slaughtered R”L.

It is absolutely not a problem for people to flee to anywhere they need to – including Eretz Yisroel – when needed. The problem with Zionism lies in the massive, organized nature of it that has absolutely nothing to do with the Nazis. When Herzl started his plans, Hitler was 7 years old (just checked).

Zionism has absolutely nothing to do with saving Jews from the Nazis. What they did was take us from a place where we faced goyim who carried out pogroms and took us to a place of continuous war.

When I was in Eretz Yisroel I saw soldiers everywhere with big guns, huge fences and walls to separate us from the Arabs who want to annihilate us, army bases everywhere and I am lucky I myself was not drafted into that army. The army is handing out gas masks, the country is building emergency shelters, preparing the hospitals to withstand rocket attacks and making sure decontamination facilities for chemical warfare are set up. You call that an improvement over the way Jews live in England, such as here in Gateshead?

Now as for NK: I think they made some errors of judgment in participating in rallies together with Arabs and the like. That is wrong. We should not openly join forces with them. I think it’s completely fine to go around and proclaim to the world that there are frum Jews who oppose Zionism. That is not the same as kissing Ahmedinejad in Teheran. They did go a little bit too far with that. So would you please stop equating me to Moshe Ber Beck and the like now?

CG, Europestan? Are you for really for real? Zionism is about bringing us home, building a state where we can develop as a people and being a light unto the nations. This takes time. It’s been a long galut.

I just wanna say that its disgusting to talk about frum yiden like that, wether you like it or not they are frum yiden you can argue till youre blue in the face they ARE totally frum and Hashem loves them. So it is real loshon hora to talk about them like that they love klal yisrael its every one else who hates them.

Anyone who talks derogatery about NK obviously doesnt know any personally. I do and i know what im talking about. Hate me if you want, but thats the truth.

I’m a bit sick of people calling other groups “The Erev Rav”. It’s a derogatory slur that everyone feels they are entitled to throw around about anyone else – anyone they don’t like.

Even if one opposes NK, they are harmless. They don’t kill, don’t commit arson, don’t beat people, don’t carry weapons.

I have been in London (Not Gateshead) and I remember seeing armed guards at the head of the Shuls in Golders Green.

I know others who have been to shuls elsewhere in Europe (Like Sweden) and if you want to attend services (even for Shabbat) you must register in advance as there are guards keeping people out.

To say Europe is safer to practice judaism than Israel is untrue, Ive been to bother and its ALOT safer being a jew in israel than WESTERM Europe (I’ve never been to Eastern Europe)

I’ve been to many shuls in London without guards and many shuls in israelistine with guards!

If you need to know exactly who NK are and where their money comes from, go to their website.

How many jewish websites are in ARABIC?

moi assur I am not nk I simply am not sure what country it will be by the time it is posted

Sam, when you posted had his comment of not caring about what Rav Kook says passed “moderation”? BTW, I think that message we get is fantastic.

CG, all rabbbanim with the exception the NK and its fellow travelers hold that we are in the atchalta d’Geula and except the aforementioned hold that one should participate in the Medina, at least by voting. There are only disagreements about certain points such as whether or not to celebrate Yom HaAtzmaut as a religious holiday although I cannot fathom why someone will not say a misheberach at least for chayalei Tzahal if not for the Medina. There is a well-known injunction to pray for the government although in America (unlike in the UK) it is not practiced although it appears in siddurim.