September 10, 2015 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #616334
Is there one? Do we really only do it these days as a minhag (not even a mitzva, as Sam2 points out here?
Is there some other reason why we separate other than l’zecher mitzvas challa that we had in the times of the Bais Hamikdash?September 10, 2015 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #1115940Torah613TorahParticipant
The reason you mentioned is the main reason we do hafrashas challah and the most important reason. But there are a range of reasons. Off the top of my head
– The Rabbonim instituted that we take Challah even when not in Eretz Yisrael with most of the Jews living there so that it should not be forgotten from the Jewish people. (I think according to most commentaries it is currently a Mitzva D’Rabanan, but that could change in the next few years)
– Because Adam Harishon was “Chalaso shel olam” and Chava led him to sin, so we women atone for this by taking challah
– To take the gashmius act of making bread and raise it to ruchniyus- so we lift up a piece and say “harei zu challah” (Baal Shem Tov)
– To remind us of Hashgacha Pratis – that Hashem is watching us at all times and is the One Who gives us food (Rav Samson Rafael Hirsch)
– The Gematria of ??? =?? which is the first and last letter of the CHumash (Beraishis-Yisrael)
– Eres, dough, is from the same lashon as arisa, a cradle for a baby, to teach us that a father should start teaching a child “Torah Tziva Lanu Moshe” as soon as they start being able to talk. (Chasam Sofer)
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There’s more but that’s off the top of my head.September 11, 2015 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #1115941popa_bar_abbaParticipant
how do you know so much stuff?September 11, 2015 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1115942
Probably from seminary.September 11, 2015 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #1115943MDGParticipant
“- The Gematria of ??? =?? “
Am I missing something? Lev is 32, Hallah is 43September 11, 2015 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #1115944golferParticipant
Yes, MDG, you sure are missing something:
The principle (not an ancient principle, but a fairly recent one AFAIK) that Gematrias are to be shared and enjoyed, not to be scrutinized and counted.
** I bet you, yourself, never attended seminary?September 11, 2015 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1115945screwdriverdelightParticipant
Sam2, I don’t know what you mean when you say that it’s only a minhag. The shulchan aruch (??”? ???, ?) seems to say that it’s ??????.September 13, 2015 12:50 am at 12:50 am #1115946Torah613TorahParticipant
That’s a very good point about the gematriya. I can’t believe I missed that when it was told to me, unless they said libi which is still off by 1.September 13, 2015 3:07 am at 3:07 am #1115947
Just proves popa’s right about seminary.September 13, 2015 3:08 am at 3:08 am #1115948
Also, ??? is ??????? ?? ??.September 13, 2015 4:19 am at 4:19 am #1115949
However, neither ??? nor ?? ?? are the first and last letters of the ????, so see previous post.September 13, 2015 9:39 am at 9:39 am #1115950theprof1Participant
Flour is the epitome of separateness. Dough is the epitome of unity. By taking flour, which is a human staple of living, and adding water, symbolic of Torah, we show that we are unting our gahshmiyus and ruchniyus together through the strength of Torah. By taking one portion off as Challah and making it Holy, we symbolically show the strength of Echod in our lives. The singularity of Holiness, of Shabbos, of Klal Yisroel, of the Torah. One of the things that Korach argued against was the mitzva of Challah. He felt that we didn’t require a separate Holy object, like the techeles tztitzos, eruvin, kohen godol, or challah. We take Challah to show that we do believe in all that because these are all Torah Shel Baal Peh, which Hashem taught Moshe Rabeinu.October 27, 2015 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #1115951
Torah613Torah: That’s off the top of your head?! Do you teach this subject or something? That’s impressive.
Thanks for your answers. I find them fascinating. Do you know any sources where I can research this further?
theprof1: That is so interesting! Do you know whose explanation that is or where I can learn more?October 27, 2015 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #1115952WolfishMusingsParticipant
When I’m mafrish challah, I do it because it’s a mitzvah. I don’t knead* a depper meaning than that.
* pun intended.October 27, 2015 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #1115953Sam2Participant
My personal favorite (I made up myself): The Gematria of Challah (43) is equal to the number of times the Kohen Gadol sprinkles blood on Yom Kippur.
Cute Drashos from the Gematria of “Challah” bother me, though. What we take off isn’t called “Challah” in Chumash. That’s a Rabbinic term, presumably just borrowed from colloquial usage (though that is a Machlokes Achronim, I believe between the Nodah Bihudah and Abudraham, among others). So I’d find it strange for the “meaning” of the Mitzvah to come from something that the Mitzvah would later me called.
None of this should apply to Challas Chutz La’aretz anyway (certainly nowadays), which is just so we remember that the concept of Challah exists.October 27, 2015 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #1115954
When I’m mafrish challah, I do it because it’s a mitzvah. I don’t knead a deeper meaning than that.
I did the same, until the day I thought for a second what I was doing and wanted to know why. I hate doing things by rote, so I knead a deeper meaning.October 27, 2015 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1115955WolfishMusingsParticipant
I hate doing things by rote,
I didn’t say that I was doing it by rote. I said I was doing it because it’s a mitzvah. That’s not rote – and for me, that’s enough of a reason. I don’t need a deeper reason than that.
The WolfOctober 28, 2015 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #1115956oomisParticipant
When I am busy making the dough and before I am mafrishas challah, I first ask Hashem to give me Siyata D’Shmaya (I am serious) in making the dough into truly delicious challah that will enhance our Shabbos and be filled with bracha. I daven for my family, friends, and then a general tefila for E”Y and Klal Yisroel. Then I take challah and it infuses me with a strong emotional connection to the mitzvah. It’s an amazing feeling when I make the challah in this mindset. So far, so good.December 13, 2015 5:19 am at 5:19 am #1115957☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
I first ask Hashem to give me Siyata D’Shmaya (I am
Isn’t it sad that that parenthetic statement could be thought necessary?
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