The Eruv — Halachic Tool or Glorified Shabbos Loophole?

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    Lately I’ve been noticing more and more neighborhoods putting up eruvin with questionable standards — and even more troubling, people relying on them without asking a shaila. Entire cities are being declared “within the eruv” and suddenly strollers, packages, and even ball-playing on Shabbos become standard.

    When did we decide as a klal that kulos from the 1960s became the new lechatchilah in 2025?

    Gedolim of the previous generation, from Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l to Rav Aharon Kotler zt”l, were extremely hesitant or outright opposed to many of these eruvin. But now every town with a Home Depot gets one, and suddenly it’s a mitzvah to carry?

    I’m not saying all eruvin are invalid — but can we at least agree that the way people treat them today, with zero awareness of the halachic shakla v’tarya, is a problem?

    Would love to hear from others:

    Do you trust your city eruv?

    Do you carry without checking every Friday?

    Do you think the chumros of the past have simply been discarded?

    Time to wake up.

    #2445801
    yudel
    Participant

    I have lived in Lakewood over Fifty years, KE”H,raised a family of children, grand children, great grand children, Kain Yirbu.

    Every week for the past few years goes up signs regarding not to use Eruvin, the more signs that are posted, more and more people are using the Eiruvs all over town. Carriages, Strollers, bicycles, just about everything.

    Many people never realized that there are Eiruvs around Town, till they read all of the signs about not using the Eiruvs.

    #2445803
    yudel
    Participant

    In Lakewood and surrounding town many of the various chasidim are moving to. By Chasidim, there will always be an Eiruv, a warm Mikvah and a hot coffee including on Shabbos. If Lakewood Yeshiva thinks they will be able to change that, might as well don’t hold your breath.

    #2445809
    DaMoshe
    Participant

    An eruv is not a kulah from the 1960s. It goes much further back – there are Gemaras that discuss it.
    Eruvin 68a brings a story where Abaye was asked why there is no eruv in his town. Many meforshim (Birkei Yosef, Chasam Sofer, Avnei Nezer, and R’ Moshe Feinstein) use this Gemara as proof that there is actually an obligation for a Rav to make an eruv where it is halachically permissible to do so.
    I don’t think people today treat them with no awareness.
    Where I live, yes, I use the eruv. Do I trust the eruv? Considering that it’s not a person, no. But I do trust the Rabbonim who oversee it!
    I don’t personally check the eruv. The local Rabbonim check it every week, and I rely on them.
    I’m not sure what chumros of the past you refer to when asking if they were discarded, so I can’t really say.
    To say that R’ Moshe was hesitant or opposed to “many” of the eruvin… I’m not sure what you refer to. Do you mean in places like Brooklyn or Manhattan? That is well known, because he felt it was not halachically permissible to make an eruv there. In places where it was permissible, he held (as I wrote above), that it was an obligation to make one. Obviously, it needed a knowledgeable Rav to oversee it, to ensure it was done correctly. But he wasn’t opposed to the idea of an Eruv.
    I’ve been told that in Elizabeth, NJ, R’ Pinchas Teitz zt”l built an eruv, but was nervous that people would forget the halachos of carrying on Shabbos. Therefore, one week each year, the eruv was taken down. It was usually done the week after Parshas Zachor – since everyone came to shul to hear Zachor, he’d be able to announce to the entire community that the following week, nobody should carry, as the Eruv would be down.

    #2445852
    YFRBachur
    Participant

    relax

    #2445853
    YFRBachur
    Participant

    relax….
    go learn the relevant sugyos and come back to us.
    also learn some history… like almost every city in europe had an eruv, and many were not on the standard that we build today,
    asides we have the cahzon ish….

    #2445949
    anonymous Jew
    Participant

    Bocherwirhhighstandards
    First learn some history. Eruvim are not new or recent
    Second, if you don’t like them, don’t use them. Noone is forcing you to.

    #2445985
    Ex-CTLawyer
    Participant

    Until moving to Nassau County when I remarried, I had never lived within an eruv. I still find myself checking pockets on Shabbos.
    Gone are the days of house key tie clips as we have push button door locks.
    Out of habit I do not carry on Shabbos, but trust the Rabbeinu who supervise the local Eruv and my wife carries.
    We live across the street from a park full of families on Shabbos. Many Ashkenazi kids play baseball, the Sephardic Rabbis assured it. Loads of scooters but no bicycles on Shabbos.
    I am not yet comfortable with all the baby strollers parked outside shul every Shabbos, but an eruv has greatly increased the female attendance.

    #2446012
    Kuvult
    Participant

    I live in a community where everyone accepts the Eruv as Kosher. It adds a sense of Achdus when the Modern Orthodox, Yeshivish & Chasidim all use the same Eruv.

    #2446024

    There are many things that are different nowadays:

    big cities with car traffic. In older times, even large cities might not have 600,000 horses & donkeys passing by

    socially, women our days are interested in going to shul and meeting others. Gemora discusses the problem of women wearing jewelry on shabbos as they tend to meet their friends and take it off to show to others. And 100+ years ago, women were left behind at home while men went to shul & tish. So, eruvin are great improvement in this.

    internet enable people to get into heated discussions about different rabbis holding by different positions, instead of simply listening to their local rav.

    multiple groups with different minhagim routinely live nearby. I know of a Sephardi Rav who tells his people that they can use the eruv together with Ashkenazim, but apparently, he himself used it only for a medical emergency.

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