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“The four sons” in Hagada – why not “daughters”?
Is there a mitvah of sipur yetzias mitzrayim to daughters?
Mr. Rebbetzin: Please see…
Bava Basra (16b)
Berachos (60a)
Nida (31b)
Rambam (Hilchos Ishus 15:20)Rebetzin,
The reason it’s not daughters is because they’re busy cooking and serving to ask questions and the sons tell the daughters when they come back
“You heard the hitting sound, that was abba knocking out jack’s teeth”
Joseph, look also Hilchos Ishus (15,19) may be that is why it is called Nesuin, to elevate each other and put the other partner on a pedestal. Since sippur yetzias mitzraim is Torah, and girls where not commanded to be taught Torah, only boys are mentioned. It says בשביל נשים צדקניות נגאלו, so they are also included but man have to thank more for their redemption. The Chasam Sofer explains that by kabolas HaTorah it says אל תגשו אל האשה don’t rely on the zechusim of women but have your own.
Well, in my family the girls also asked the Mah Nishtana.
Reb. are you ignoring the passuk…v’hegadita lvincha.
RG, look at the Sefer Hachinuch 21, the chinuch says yes, women are mechuyav but the Minchas Chinuch asks why?
RG, it says כה תאמר לבית יעקב ותגיד לבני ישראל look at Rashi by Kabolas Hatorah that Beis Yaakov refers to the women whereas Bnei Yisroel refers to the men. Once the women agree, you will not have the Etz Hadaas problem and they will encourage the men. The women tell lightly and the men harshly.
I was questioning if sippur yetzias mitzraim is a responsibility on the father. There is a certainly a chiyuv on them like any other mitzva on Pesach.
See aruch hashulchan end of siman 472
@laskern – What is the eitz hadaas problem?
RG: OBviously not as we are told Sheheino yodea lishol. No again you and your feminist agenda want to interpret l’vincha as children and not son as is the literal meaning. And the mishna in pesachim (10:4) says. “מָזְגוּ לוֹ כוֹס שֵׁנִי, וְכָאן הַבֵּן שׁוֹאֵל אָבִיו are you going to interpret BEN as daughter too?
Not sure what the question is
שו”ע תעב-יד
גם הנשים חייבות בארבע כוסות ובכל מצות הנוהגות באותו הלילה
מ”ב
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מצות הנוהגות וכו’ כגון מצה ומרור ואמירת הגדהRG, did you read what I wrote just before you? Is there a mitzva on the father to tell yetzias mitzraim to the daughter? She has a mitzva like other mitzvas on pesach to speak about it but does the father have the mitzva?
RG, that is chiyuv is also on the himself, if there is no daughter, the father.
RG, you are saying that whoever asks you must answer.
I meant obviously the father must answer.
RG, the father is asked not the mother.
rg: I believe it is time for you to take a trip to the past, find the baal hagadah and ask him the question directly. then come back and tell us the answer.
בנים means children. Being a masculine word, all the pronouns will be masculine. There is no difference between sons and daughters in basic jewish education. The parshah after the wise child, specifically mentions daughters.
I doubt the whole theory that the mitzvah of sippur yitziyas mitzrayim has more to do with your sons than your guests.
are you ignoring the passuk…v’hegadita lvincha.
So, all those years that I allowed my daughter to sit at the Seder table and actively engaged her in sippur yetziyas mitzrayim…. who knew that I was being in violation of a passuk? I should have been completely ignoring her.
The Wolf
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