February 28, 2021 7:36 am at 7:36 am #1952647
There is a golden statue of Trump on display at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). Does anybody see the poetry of that? I wonder whether the artist is conservative or an Antifa infiltrator.February 28, 2021 10:12 am at 10:12 am #1952656yaakov doeParticipant
There’s a photo of a man bowing to the statue that has been posted. This Trump worship is an abomination. I have never before heard of a golden statue of a politician anywhere in the world. Even North Korea doesn’t have a statue of Little Kim Jong Um.February 28, 2021 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm #1952673CTLAWYERParticipant
They erected a golden statue of Stalin in Prague, it was urinating ion the Czech people. It was torn down.
To quote two nice Jewish Boys (Simon and Garfunkel)
and the people came and prayed to the neon G-d they made…………………….
How I wish Trump would finally be silentFebruary 28, 2021 1:00 pm at 1:00 pm #1952678🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Yeah, I’ve been wishing for silence as well but you guys just can’t seem to stop talking about him.February 28, 2021 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #1952700
They are mourning the loss of their dearest and most beloved nemesis Donald J. Trump.
Please be respectful of their feelings and allow them to express their grief.February 28, 2021 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #1952709Reb EliezerParticipant
They worship the golden trump calf.February 28, 2021 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #1952712emes nisht shekerParticipant
When I saw the statue of Trump it reminded me very well of the egel. I am sure back then many fine yidden wished that those opposed to the egel also would be silent.February 28, 2021 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #1952728
This Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting even more out of hand than it already was.
Some guy made a fiberglass sculpture of Trump to resell. Strongly insists it is a sculpture and not an idol after his his enemies decide it is an idol for him. Plenty of Obama sculptures for sale too.
The TDS crowd still screams he made a gold idol to worship.
Whatever.February 28, 2021 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1952886emes nisht shekerParticipant
Smerel, who is screaming? You seem to be very worked up over this. Maybe the criticism hits too close to home for you.March 1, 2021 8:23 am at 8:23 am #1953006
To smerel: Let me put this in terms you might understand: Idols are a subset of statues. If someone makes a statue, and people bow down before it, the statue-maker unintentionally made an idol.
The intent of the brilliant opening post is to imply that Trump is a false god, and that Hashem will punish those who bow before Trump or a statue of Trump. You are free to disagree, but not by pretending that the golden statue is not an idol. (You are also free to bow down before it.)March 1, 2021 9:19 am at 9:19 am #1953035
@huju can you please explain the purpose of this thread?
Are you trying to say:
1. “Woe is to us Haters-Of-The-Donald, for we have lost a dear and beloved nemesis! Our lives now lack meaning and purpose! Our deep pain can only be reduced by making a new thread in his memory every two days.”
2. A Trump statue was on display somewhere. It must have been an idol and therefore all Trump supporters must believe he is G-D.
3. Don’t make statues of Trump. I hate him.
4. All of the above.
5. None of the above (please provide an alternative explanation).March 1, 2021 9:50 am at 9:50 am #1953048
Let me put this in terms you may understand.
This is what you call “man creates fictional scenario and then gets all worked up about it.”
There may be a picture somewhere of someone bowing to the statue but I sure couldn’t find it with a google . Not even on the notorious Trump Derangement Syndrome sites (no worries I’m sure one will be photoshopped soon).
There are statues of all other presidents as well. No one makes an issue.
As far as making something into a idol by someone bowing to it, something tells me that the brilliant OP (your description not mine) isn’t very clear in the sugya of “Adom Oysser Dovor Sh’Anoy Sheloy”
Or maybe you are right and I need your explanation. If you can back up what your saying based on the Gemorah, Rishonim and Poskim on the sugya I’m all ears
It’s hard not to notice the irony of Trump’s enemies rather than his supporters crowing him and statues of him as idols….March 1, 2021 11:49 am at 11:49 am #1953053besalelParticipant
CTLawyer: lets not pretend art had anything to do with the music. He was a tag along because of his golden voice. You’re quoting Paul.March 1, 2021 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #1953066
I just want to make this clarification because this conversation is not on the level to have a serious sugya mixed into it.
You cannot unintentionally make an idol. If someone bows to your property it doesn’t become an idol or Avodah Zorah.
Without going through the whole sugya, The Rambam Avodos Chacomim 8:1 paskens
בַּמֶּה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים בְּבֶהֱמַת עַצְמוֹ. אֲבָל אִם שָׁחַט בֶּהֱמַת חֲבֵרוֹ לַעֲבוֹדַת כּוֹכָבִים אוֹ הֶחֱלִיפָהּ לֹא נֶאֶסְרָה שֶׁאֵין אָדָם אוֹסֵר דָּבָר שֶׁאֵינוֹ שֶׁלּוֹ.
<i>When does the above apply? Regarding one’s own animal. If, however, one slaughtered a colleague’s animal for the sake of Avodah Zorah , or exchanged it for an Avodah Zorah, it does not become forbidden, because a person cannot cause an article that does not belong to him to become forbidden.</i>
This has nothing to do with Trump statues and silly politics. Please don’t respond with them.
I could be wrong. Maybe it is possible to unintentionally make an idol. But please limits all proofs to Torah ONLY. No references to this particular statue. And no boich sevoras.March 1, 2021 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #1953139
To all of you wondering what my brilliant opening post was meant to say: Read it carefully and intelligently. It says what I meant to say, nothing more, nothing less.March 1, 2021 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #1953165
>To all of you wondering what my brilliant opening post was meant to say: Read it carefully and intelligently. It says what I meant to say, nothing more, nothing less.<
I thought you had more to say than an irrelevant piece of news and philosophical musings on poetry and political motives.
That what happens when you think too highly of others.March 1, 2021 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #1953179Reb EliezerParticipant
Don’t male a form of anything. a pesel, statue that represents something or someone for worshipping by believing that it has the power to grant your desires.March 2, 2021 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #1953454GadolhadorahParticipant
Question: ” can you please explain the purpose of this thread?”
Answer: To troll those suffering from TDS who might not have tuned in to the CPAC Circus and had an opportunity to make believe they were in living in Prague in during the breakup of the Soviet Union.
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