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I just noticed a thread with 300+ comments that (for the most part) was a spirited discussion of the pros and cons of our current presidential candidates.
I personally don’t believe that the next president is up to us. The Rebbonei Shel Olam has already decided who it will be. If that is true then why get so invested in the candidates? Why the emotion? why the hate?
I don’t get it.
Not to mention that the current two choices are possibly the biggest liars to ever vie for the office. Their lies are indisputable, so shouldn’t it be our role as jews who value the concept of “tocho k’baro” to express our disdain (or at least indifference) rather than stand behind these candidates?
better to vote for the better of the 2 which we would all say trump then not vote at all & give 1 more chance of winning to the bad one.
never in my life heard of such a lying & corrupt person like hillary
We’re commanded to vote for those who advance morals.
Rav Avigdor Miller, zt”l, was adamant about not voting for pro-toeva candidates, which would de facto mean that we cannot vote for Democrats
Hey, MA! Maybe we should just vote for the Satan. Why settle for the lesser evil?
never in my life heard of such a lying & corrupt person like hillary
I have – his name is Donald Trump.
We’re commanded to vote for those who advance morals.
Please don’t fool yourself into thinking that translate into a vote for Trump, the most publicly immoral candidate to ever run for president.
Rav Avigdor Miller, zt”l, was adamant about not voting for pro-toeva candidates, which would de facto mean that we cannot vote for Democrats
For the record both candidates basically agree on this issue
Mashiach Agent
Who gave you authority to speak for all members of the coffee room? Your statement “better of the 2 which we would all say trump” is a LIE. Yet you in the same post accuse Secretary Clinton of lying. How ironic.
You don’t speak for me, I DON’T think Trump is the better of the two.
Ignoring both candidates in the race, if we as a people want to keep our religious rights in this country, we should do everything we can to make sure Clinton does not get elected, as her appointee to the Supreme Court would no doubt be liberal, and tip the entire court to the left, reversing many decisions and making many new ones against the First (and Second) Amendment and freedom of religion.
Killary will put in liberal activist judges who will continue to push for toeva. Trump will put in conservative judges. You’re wrong.
mentsch1,
You can vote for a third-party candidate or write-in a vote to show your lack of support for the two main candidates.
dovrosenbaum: The fight against gay marriage is over. The religious lost. All candidates support gay marriage now. Ted Cruz didn’t, kinda, but he was it. You don’t remember Trump saying how he was pro-LGBT at the convention?
true vote for trump!!!
@mentsch1 the outcome of the election may be out of our hands, but it is our hishtadlus to vote. Who to vote for, however, according to daas Torah, it really depends who you ask. I’m not sure what you mean by vote hashkafically and not vote. I believe that Rav Moshe said we are mechuyiv to vote, and it is our responsibility as a citizen to do our part. That is our histadlus.
Do you believe that we should vote the canditate we believe is best or the candidate our Local Orthodox Rabbi recommends?
TheMiddleOf – the lor. go trump!!
Neither candidate represents the acme of moral rectitude, as someone so aptly put it, the choice is between Achashverosh or Vashti …. Nevertheless, and particularly in view of Rabbi Miller zt”l’s opinion, the choice should be for the candidate who espouses less immorality. On this matter, the candidate’s own words speak for themselves.
Many Rabbonim in Brooklyn had no problem meeting with Christine Quinn and having those photos put on YWN
You have to look at it in terms of least damage.
Trump will appoint conservative judges. He will also destroy terrorism, curb radical Islam, and will support Israel.
Hillary will continue in the same street J Street trajectory, more concessions to Iran, more Muslim immigrants, etc.
Also, in terms of morality, look at Lo Tirtzach. Benghazi, Vince Foster, etc. should all be sufficient proof that Killary should be on death row now.
dovrosenbaum,
I don’t know how you define “conservative” judges, but I am pretty sure that Trump will not appoint judges based on any ideological or legal-philosophy basis. How will Trump “destroy terrorism”? Bush, Obama and many other governments have been trying for the last 15 years and it is still here. Frankly Hillary will be just as tough on terrorism and she will be far more rational in attacking it than Trump.
Benghazi, while bad, was not murder on Hillary’s part (or Obama’s) it was neglect and then an attempt to cover-up/minimize the neglect. Vince Foster was not murdered.
Saying Hillary should be on death row is reprehensible and probably should not have been let through by the moderators.
@Sparkly I’d like to hear your logic for that (tha LOR, not Trump, I agree on that.)
@mentsch1 I agree. You make two very good points. Every Rabbi has a different take on it, and unless THE undisputed gadol hador says something on it, it’s impossible to know what daas Torah is. So at this point, it is really within our hands to choose not who the most moral candidate is, but rather who would be the better presidant for our country, for us, and for Israel, and whatever other issues you care about.
The only way to stop terrorism is through a war of attrition. You have to bomb them into oblivion. Maybe use a nuke.
I can’t engage liberal Democrats or liberal “Republicans” in discussion. It’s fruitless. If you can’t see that Hillary is evil, you have no moral compass.
Have you ever considered that you might be the one who is wrong?
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