The Importance of Having Short Hair

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    Joseph
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    A young fellow recently came to the Sar HaTorah, HaGaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky shlit”a for a brocha. After getting his name to give a brocha, the Sar HaTorah instructed him, unsolicited, to get a haircut. Whilst he had stylish hair it wasn’t particularly very long. Which demonstrates the necessity to always have a short haircut.

    #1753989

    Joseph: Have you ever seen a picture of the Rogatchover Goan?

    #1754004

    Grey matter
    Participant

    No it doesn’t it demonstrates that the Gadol Hador now holds you should have short hair.

    #1754017

    Yankelle
    Participant

    Where did the term “Sar HaTorah” originate? Was it created for R’ Kanievsky, or did someone else hold the title prior?

    #1754036

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    See the MB O’CH 27:15 whether it is a chaztizta for tefilin.

    #1754070

    MDG
    Participant

    “See the MB O’CH 27:15
    whether it is a chaztizta for tefilin.”

    The Rogatchover disagrees .
    What about Shimshon, Avshalom, Shmuel Hanavi, and
    all other nazirim who had long hair? They wore tefillin.

    #1754072

    MDG
    Participant

    Perhaps Rav Chaim was telling the visitor to cut his beautiful stylish hair to avoid being a Baal Gaava.

    #1754121

    MrSarahLevine613
    Participant

    My friend visited the Same “Sar HaTorah” who told him to grow a beard and peyos–which i guess shows he does hold the Star K

    #1754304

    Non Political
    Participant

    Did it occur to you that Rav Chaim was speaking to the specific bachur and commented on something that was appropriate for him?

    #1754326

    Joseph
    Participant

    NP: It was a random bochor who came to him for a quick brocha. You could see the Sar HaTorah’s eyes fixating on his hair before he offered the instructions about the haircut alongside the brocha.

    #1754329

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    MDG, All those mentioned were not makpid not to cut it, but the issur held their cutting back.

    #1754330

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    A king gets a haircut every day

    #1754331

    Phil
    Participant

    “Did it occur to you that Rav Chaim was speaking to the specific bachur and commented on something that was appropriate for him?”

    NP,

    Of course not. Our resident nasty troll is actively searching for excuses to create dissent and factionalism among Jews, especially as we approach the Three Weeks.

    #1754376

    Yabia Omer
    Participant

    Who is this Joseph guy??

    #1754382

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Yabia……..He runs a chain of men’s hair salons in Willy and BP….

    #1754381

    Phil
    Participant

    Yabia,

    A nasty troll who doesn’t like sephardim, females, those with a secular education, those who live OOT, those who love Israel, those who shave, those who don’t take frequent haircuts and a whole host of other Jews.

    #1755152

    coffeeaddict: what king gets a haircut everyday?

    #1755641

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Lowerourtuition….King Donald……according to ‘unnamed sources” (you know who they are), the Trumpkopf gets his orange locks coifed every AM before his first appearance before the cameras….combination of orange spray paint, gorilla glue and hedge trimmers.

    #1755789

    Dr. E
    Participant

    When I was in Yeshiva, the “tchuhpp” was considered by the bochurim to be a tifehress.

    #1755966

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    GH,

    Showing again your incredible, blatant am hoaratzus. Most other people here know the gemara that said that a Jewish King would get a hair cut everyday. But you know so little you had to bring up Trump. Ha, it seems that Trump knows more about Yiddishkeit than you do. His Kopf is greater than yours.

    #1756041

    Joseph
    Participant

    When I was in Yeshiva, the Menahel would send you home for a haircut if you had a “tchuhpp”.

    #1756050

    Yserbius123
    Participant

    Rav Chaim SHLITA has a lot of chumras based on numerous acharonim about how Yidden should dress, talk, walk, and style. Most people don’t follow even a quarter of them. One example is that there is an acharon who refers to watches as beged isha. My father was once by Rav Chaim and his gabbai Rav Amar came into the room wearing a watch. Rav Chaim motioned to him, and he smiled and put it into his pocket. Take from that story what you will.

    #1756059

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Gadolhadorah, Trump’s hair ranges from cream white to mustard yellow. It’s his skin that is orange.

    #1756074

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Lowerourtuition,

    That’s the Halacha

    רמב״ם מלכים ב:ה

    #1756076

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    I’m about to take a haircut. Am I allowed to, without flying to Israel to ask the “sar hatorah” whether he agrees with the style? Per the OP, perhaps not.

    #1756178

    The Alter
    Participant

    For all those who want to see huge talmidei chachomim with really big and stylish haircuts look at old pictures of bochrim in slabodka. The point was to show godluss haadom. The chofetz chiam yeshivas go with this mehalach and are much more lenient with boys hairstyles.

    #1756195

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Nisht…..when it comes to anything Trumpkopf-related an advanced degree in what you reference as
    ” am hoaratzus” (great spelling) is really a survival skill. As to your assertion that “everyone knowing the gemorah” regarding the daily clipping and coiffing of malchei Yisroel, the Trumpkopf’s fixation with his hair seems more akin to the what chazal bring down in Sanhedrin (22b) regarding the Kohen Gadol’s hair stylist charged with assuring that “‘rosho shel zeh b’tzad ikaro shel zeh”

    #1756204

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    hate to burst your bubble ma’am but trump isn’t half as obsessed with his hair as you are. I find it hilarious that the democrats and anti trumpers rarely can find any other topic of conversation. Every other text, comment, facebook post is some anti trump comment while the rest of us talk and post about the weather, exchange recipes and complain about carpool.
    #MakeAmericaNormalAgain

    #1756249

    Redleg
    Participant

    Up until WW1, wrist watches were only worn by women. Men used pocket watches. Soldiers in the trenches found that wearing your watch on your wrist was much ,more convenient than fishing it out of your pocket while lying on your stomach. Watchmakers started making men’s wrist watches after the war. Also, the reason that many old-timers wear an “up” hat or homberg is that the common snap brim fedora was also exclusively worn by women.

    #1756336

    Rebbe Yid
    Participant

    “My father was once by Rav Chaim and his gabbai Rav Amar came into the room wearing a watch. Rav Chaim motioned to him, and he smiled and put it into his pocket. Take from that story what you will.”
    That Rav Chaim wasn’t terribly makpid, if he didn’t have a problem with his own gabbai wearing a watch, just not in his presence. I’m sure Rav Elyashiv didn’t remove his own watch when Rav Chaim was in the room.

    #1756344

    Joseph
    Participant

    Au contraire. Rav Chaim was makpid. Which is why he asked him to take the watch off. Even though Rav Chaim couldn’t control his behavior outside his presence he at least insisted he comply with his psak when by him.

    #1757406

    Undercove Bachur
    Participant

    Ho said this story is even true

    #1757633

    MDG
    Participant

    Did Rav Chaim Kanievsky tell his father-in-law, Rav Elyashiv, to take off his watch?
    You can see pictures on the internet that he wore a watch.

    #1757649

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    MDG,

    What kind of question is that? So what if his father in law wore a watch!

    If a non gebroktzer had a father in law that gebrokt would he tell him not to?

    Obviously not!

    Now if a rebbe that didn’t gebrokt had a talmid that did he obviously would say not to gebrokt in front of him

    #1757650

    aviaviavi
    Participant

    While Rav Eliyashev was alive, in deference to his
    Father-in-law who wore a wrist watch, Rav Kanievsky would not make any mention about his opinion that a watch is beged-isha.

    #1757662

    2qwerty
    Participant

    Joseph,

    Why do you assume that R’ Chaim Kanievsky is a posek?
    His knowledge in torah is undisputed but that isnt enough to become a posek.

    #1757667

    Joseph
    Participant

    2qwerty: Are you indicating that Rav Chaim cannot pasken? Is there a requirement to have yoreh yoreh or something? How do you explain all the people who come to him and ask what to do — and he tells them what to do?

    #1757696

    london litvak
    Participant

    i am shocked to see such disrespectful comments about our godol hador. he is by far the biggest talmid chochom in our generation if any of you would just open 1 of his sefarim you could see is vast knowledge of kol hatorah kulo!! i pity anyone who is disrespectful to him as we have seen on countless other occasions when people were disrespectful to our gedolim that they had terrible yisurim till they went to ask mechila BE CAREFUL!!!

    #1757778

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    I heard once a watch on shabbos is not a tachshit for a man as he would not wear it broken compared to a woman wearing a gold watch.

    #1757784

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Why do you assume that R’ Chaim Kanievsky is a posek?

    Whatever his disclaimer that he’s not a posek means, in fact, he does tell people what the halacha is, so I’m not sure what your issue is with calling something he instructs someone to do or not to do a psak.

    #1757782

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    A nasty troll

    I don’t know either if you in real life, but Phil, you come across as much nastier than Joseph.

    #1757821

    sam4321
    Participant

    Masheches Tefillin:

    המוצא ספר או תכריך של תפילין נותנם לחבירו וחבירו לחבירו בשבת ואפילו הם מאה אם עמו נוטלו אחד מתוך ארבע אמות ונותנו לתוך ארבע אמות שהיה ר׳ שמעון אומר כל שהוא עומד בפני ב״ד אינו עומד ולא בכתבי הקדש מי שהיה בבית הספר או בבית המדרש בבית הכסא או בבית המרחץ **ושכח לחלוץ את תפילין מכסן בשערו** ויוצא ואם אינו יכול נכנם לבית קרוב וחולצן:

    #1758317

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    One needs to be careful spreading these stories of Gedolim, Firstly they might not even be true and even if they are true , they might only apply to the direct people involved (as opposed to everyone) and lastly they might be taken diffrently by different people, Some people might see these as as the greatness of a Gadol and others as a negative in some way

    #1761489

    cherrybim
    Participant

    A tschup isn’t as assur as a comb-over or a dye job.

    #1765001

    MrSarahLevine613
    Participant

    These stories can cut both ways. (No pun intended). Around 30 years, i was at Rav Nachman Bulman’s house. My friend had long hair at the time. (Not sure if he still does, perhaps he, like me, is bald). Rav Bulman said to him — “if anyone every says anything about the hair, tell them that Rav Bulman said its fine.” I know, i know — this wasnt a psak and there were many reasons to do it. BUT… Rav Bulman was, among other things, a really nice person — and thus wanted this particular boy to know that Rav Bulman, for one, wasnt going to judge him.

    #1765611

    Redleg
    Participant

    “What’s in your head is more important than what’s on you head.” that goes for hair as well as hats and kipos.

    #1765778

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    It’s not a chiddush. It’s brought down in the shulchan aruch, as other posters have mentioned.

    This thread just further proves that some people will always say whatever is the opposite of what Joseph says. Joseph, you should start a thread about the importance of keeping kosher to see what happens.

    #1765809

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    who is saying the opposite of what Joseph said?

    #1765826

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    Pretty much everyone on this thread so far. Do you really need me to list names? You can just start scrolling from the top.

    #1765824

    Uncle Ben
    Participant

    Mrs. Syag; If you’ll read through the comments you’ll see that quite a few are disagreeing.

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