February 22, 2021 9:55 am at 9:55 am #1950648
The last decent Democrat was Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. He was a rare breed in his party even in his own time. But since leaving office the Democrat Party has failed to produce any decent elected officials.February 22, 2021 10:23 am at 10:23 am #1950828
I’m speaking on a national level (including Congress). On the state level their may be a very small number of decent electeds from the party, even though offhand I can’t point to any. On the local level, I know, there’s still some good men left.February 22, 2021 11:47 am at 11:47 am #1950849midwesternerParticipant
Zell MillerFebruary 22, 2021 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1950924
When was the last decent Republican who cared for the poor?February 22, 2021 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #1950929
RebE: The metrics of political gadlus used by the OP do not include empathy or real caring for the poor and marginalized. Other than screaming “what the hell have the Dems done for you lately’ at almost all white MAGA rallies, income disparities and (inflation adjusted)poverty levels have grown over the past several years. When nearly 55 percent of Americans (and 76 percent of minorities) have no direct or indirect (via pension plans/401ks) interest in the stock market, using new highs in the Dow Jones average as your “better off” metric is meaningless.
Needless to say, there have been lots of good Democratic leaders since DPM but won’t bother dignifying the predicate to the question by responding.February 22, 2021 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #1950973
The Republicans in general care far more for the poor than the Democrats ever have. Whereas the Republicans seek to enrich the poor by creating opportunities, the Democrats enact policies to keep the poor poor, in order to force them into government hand-outs they control with which they hope to buy their votes with.February 22, 2021 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #1950975
midwesterner: Zel Miller, indeed, was one of the few good men. It’s too bad they are no longer in office.February 22, 2021 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #1951007Yserbius123Participant
Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same coin. They want you to foam at the mouth and hate “them” because it bolsters their position. There are decent Democrats, there are decent Republicans. There are reprehensible Democrats, there are reprehensible Republicans.
The best way to view the divide is to serve Hashem as best as we can and daven that who ever He has running this country will do good for us Yidden.February 22, 2021 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1951015🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
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Did the Republicans grow the economy by investing tne Trump tax cuts in captal enhancements to create more jobs or buy back their own stock to increase their own stock’s value?February 22, 2021 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #1951098
Yserbius123, bravo, well expressed.February 22, 2021 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #1951104charliehallParticipant
“When was the last decent Republican who cared for the poor?”
Richard Nixon cared for the poor. Unfortunately in other respects he was anything but decent.
“But since leaving office the Democrat Party has failed to produce any decent elected officials.”
We have a decent President today, Joe Biden, but he did enter elective public office before Moynihan did.
Anyone who supported Trump has absolutely no standing to complain about Democrats not being decent.February 22, 2021 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #1951145torahvaluesoverpartyParticipant
Joe Biden and many democrats are decent-in rhetoric, and rhetoric only.February 23, 2021 7:48 am at 7:48 am #1951217
>We have a decent President today, Joe Biden<
If you ever wondered why Democrats are in favor of more government involvement, look no further than this statement.
Biden supporters will ignore
the lies (“no vaccines when I came in”, “no sanction relief for Iran”, “anyone who is disrespectful will be fired”),
the racism (Blacks are unclean, unarticulate and are all of the same opinion, according to Joe),
the insanity (“China virus” = bad, China’s genocide = cultural difference, Cuomo = amazing),
and the hypocrisy (not wearing a mask on Fed property after an EO that forbids it)
that is Joe Biden and will still call him ‘a decent President’.
So why shouldn’t politicians have more power? They are all decent aren’t they?
>Anyone who supported Trump has absolutely no standing to complain about Democrats not being decent.<
Nobody supported Trump because he was ‘decent’ (whatever that means to you), they supported him because he stood for their values and ideas.
But Dems have been calling Biden a ‘decent’ man, so Reps can complain about him not being ‘decent’.February 23, 2021 7:48 am at 7:48 am #1951216lakewhutParticipant
There aren’t anyFebruary 23, 2021 8:55 am at 8:55 am #1951258hujuParticipant
The last Republican nominee to run for president, i.e., one with the smarts to do the job right, was Gerald Ford, and he was not even a party-wide selection. Ford stumbled into the job because of Watergate and Nixon’s need to appoint a vice president who would sail through Congress. George HW Bush and John McCain, by themselves, had the smarts, but I disqualify them because they selected nudniks as their running mates.February 23, 2021 9:17 am at 9:17 am #1951271
huju: And which Democrat had the smarts, if any? Certainly not freshman Senator Obama, whose only previous experience was as a “community organizer”. Or Clinton, whose primary experience was as a philanderer and predator. Or Carter the peanut farmer.February 23, 2021 10:09 am at 10:09 am #1951279☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Yserbius123, bravo, well expressed.
That’s a head scratcher, Reb E. Every other post of yours bashes only Republicans.February 23, 2021 11:36 am at 11:36 am #1951291hujuParticipant
To ujm: You want smarts, and experience? Consider that Clinton was a Yale law graduate, and served as Arkansas governor for many years. Obama was a Harvard law grad, president of the Harvard Law Review. Carter was an Annapolis grad in nuclear engineering. Listen to their public speeches, they all demonstrate the power to think. And to think about something other than themselves.February 23, 2021 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1951305
And then we had that “very stable genius” who conflated his IQ with his body mass index. A degree from an Ivy League Business School (whether real or purchased) is not always a high likelihood indicator of Presidential efficacy.February 23, 2021 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm #1951321jdf007Participant
I like it when people point to republicans not caring for the poor. Job creation and income growth is caring for the poor.
I worked with a guy once who was recently homeless. He says there’s nothing worse than not working, doesn’t matter what the job is.
People asked him why didn’t he apply for assistance, since this was a very very very democrat city/county. The hurdles they put in your way, they don’t give anybody anything.
I’ve tried this myself too. If you want to get on a high horse and claim moral superiority, what has a Democrat ever done for the poor?
Nothing. Try to find help from any of them if you ever need to, G-d forbid. You won’t find any. Probably not even pity.
And I thought we all had our own organizations that fill the gap that government is never around for. If they did such a great job, would we need those? Or is that only Chassidics?February 23, 2021 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #1951315
>Listen to their public speeches, they all demonstrate the power to think. And to think about something other than themselves.<
Wow. Politicians who think. What more can you ask for?
That, by the way, was probably Trump’s big problem. He should have spent less time y’know, doing something and more time giving speeches in which the power of thinking is demonstrated to the ignorant and thoughtless public. That would show his haters that he has ‘smarts and experience’.February 23, 2021 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1951325DaMosheParticipant
Almost all Democrats today are enabling murder – they support abortion. Abortion (except in very specific cases, where the health of the mother is threatened), is 100% murder. So no matter how decent a person a Democrat may be, if they support abortion, we should oppose them.February 23, 2021 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #1951361
Damoshe, the rich get abortion by travelling to a place where it is permitted and the poor will endanger themselves.February 23, 2021 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #1951372
>the rich get abortion by travelling to a place where it is permitted and the poor will endanger themselves.<
Or they will stay away from situations that make them need abortions in the first place and that’s a good thing.February 23, 2021 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #1951374zahavasdadParticipant
Kalmen Yeager, Simcha Simcha Eichenstein , Chaim Deutch , Simcha Felder and Daniel Rosenthal are all DemocratsFebruary 23, 2021 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1951377
Just because some people go around the law doesn’t mean we should abolish the law.
What’s right is right, and OTOH, murder is murder.February 23, 2021 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1951387
“Listen to their public speeches, they all demonstrate the power to think. And to think about something other than themselves.”
Obama used to talk a lot about himself.
Besides which, we elect an president to get stuff done, not to be an academic. I’d rather have a simpler man with a good plan.February 23, 2021 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #1951410
“….we elect a president to get stuff done, not to be an academic. I’d rather have a simpler man with a good plan”
MDG: Depends on what you mean by “stuff”. There was a lot of “stuff” done the past 4 years, some of which I agree with (and the new administration will retain) but more stuff which has resulted in long-term harm to the U.S. and will take much time and effort to recover from.
P.S. A simpler man with a good plan to do “good stuff” is the ideal but sadly, our political system doesn’t always deliver that outcome. After 4 years, boredom seems good and not waking up every AM in fear of the morning tweetstorm or the Fox News barfstorm is refreshing.February 23, 2021 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #1951427The Shady CharediParticipant
@Reb Eliezer “When was the last decent Republican who cared for the poor?”
Donald J. TrumpFebruary 23, 2021 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #1951436
>not waking up every AM in fear of the morning tweetstorm or the Fox News barfstorm is refreshing<
If those were your fears during the Trump years, he must have been doing a great job.
Right now many Americans live in fear of waking up in the morning and finding out that they’re jobless at the stroke of a pen or that they will get fired when Biden raises the minimum wage.February 23, 2021 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1951455
I intentionally left it vague when I said getting stuff done.
BTW, I don’t think Trump is/was as right wing as his image. He just capitalized on what would work for him. Similarly, I don’t think Biden is as left wing as many think he is (maybe some of the people around him are). He also is working the politics.February 23, 2021 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1951466
The shady charedi, can you demonstrate how Donald Trump cared for the poor?February 23, 2021 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #1951516
RE: Trump enriched the poor by building the strongest American economy in over half a century.February 23, 2021 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1951545
ujm, that is why millions still are on unemployment, maybe the stock market.February 23, 2021 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #1951552
RE: The pandemic shut down the WORLD economy. Right until the pandemic the American economy was booming the strongest in over half a century.February 23, 2021 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1951551
Good economy was under Bill Clinton 22 milliion employed with a surplus around 30 years ago.February 23, 2021 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #1951561
The Trump economy was much better than the Clinton economy.February 24, 2021 8:27 am at 8:27 am #1951689DaMosheParticipant
Reb Eliezer, it doesn’t matter if people will still get abortions or not.
One of the reasons given for the Mabul is that the society in place began writing marriage contracts for same-gender couples. The fact that there were couples has always happened, and will continue to happen. What caused the flood was that society accepted it as something that had nothing wrong with it – something that has happened again in our times.
When it comes to murder, yes, it will happen. It always has, and likely always will. But we can’t accept it, and say it’s ok. We need to make people recognize that it is wrong.February 24, 2021 8:28 am at 8:28 am #1951691
ujm, for whom?February 24, 2021 9:14 am at 9:14 am #1951737jackkParticipant
He tried to repeal Obamacare so poor people have less access to insurance. That was a great help to poor people.
He told Puerto Rico that he is holding back aid to them after a catastrophic hurricane. That was another great help.
So many examples of Trump helping poor people.February 24, 2021 9:17 am at 9:17 am #1951740
RE: For the poor.February 24, 2021 10:11 am at 10:11 am #1951745
ujm, its is good that I don’t see you because I would laugh in your face.February 24, 2021 10:13 am at 10:13 am #1951768
Yes, the tax cuts helped the poor. The sink and swim attitude were good for the poor. The encouraging of elimination of Obamacare was beneficial for the poor. The increase in unemployed was really for the poor. The lack of concern for COVID for people without health insurance causing them to die was a blessing for the poor.February 24, 2021 10:28 am at 10:28 am #1951802
RE: It’s good you didn’t laugh since if you had I’d give you prozac.
But Trump bringing unemployment rates to the lowest in over half a century, especially among the poor and minorities who become richer under Trump than under Clinton, Obama or Carter, lifted many out of poverty into the middle class at a higher rate than anytime since the 1960s.February 24, 2021 11:04 am at 11:04 am #1951816
Perhaps if we ever were able to agree on the metrics of a “good economy” or “good public health outcomes” or what was “good for the Jews”, the exchanges here would somewhat more focused. I think 90 percent of the exchanges are well meaning talking points addressing different predicates. Elon Musk can create a quarter trillion dollars of increased value in Bitcoin and other cyrpto-currency with a 5 word tweet. I’m not sure that makes him a great patron of the American Working Class.
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