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  • #1569057

    Amil Zola
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    Our president is planning on a military parade in Nov that is expected to cost $12 million. As of yesterday the US had to borrow $300 billion to stay current on our debt which is rising by the billions. Per the GAO our American tax collections are at a 75 year low due to cuts in corporate taxes. The US depends on China to fund loans to pay debt. I wonder if our president considers the impact of his ‘trade wars’ with China on our ability to borrow from them? This is an extremely important issue that he does not address publicly. What are your feelings about this looming financial crisis?

    #1569157

    DovidBT
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    Our former President took $5 million dollar vacations, and is still probably costing us millions of dollars a year by traveling with Secret Service protection.

    The cost of the military parade is a drop in the bucket compared to all the money wasted by government spending.

    #1569162

    jdf007
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    I remember the 2001-2008 “looming financial crisis” that was repeated so often, the wish came true. Even when we had full employment after a terrorist attack shut down the nation, quite literally.
    In 2008-2016 I heard nothing about anything looming other than some type of non-“recovery”, even though homelessness was rampant, empty housing, and even those fast food restaurants were shuttered.
    In 2016-2024 all I hear is the “looming financial crisis”….

    Luckily, I do not see people being convinced this time around like it did last time. I cannot handle another “recovery” until I’ve had a chance to recover from it at least.

    #1569175

    MG32549
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    We highty value the sacrfice our Armed Forces makes for us everday. This is nothing but an ego trip. $12M is pocket change for the President. Let him pay for it out his own pocket.

    #1569177

    CTLAWYER
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    @mg32549
    The emperor has no clothes…
    Trump does NOT pay his personal bills…he’d rather stiff workers and declare bankruptcy. He is busy living off the public piggy bank, supporting himself and his useless band of relatives. He wouldn’t pay for anything form his own pocket except the occasional extramarital affair @ 130-150,000 dollars

    #1569280

    akuperma
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    1. If you favor frugality, admit that in the last election, frugality lost. There were some frugal candidates running (the former “Tea Party favorites” but they lost to a big government “Republican” (who recently changed parties, eight years before he was an Obama Democrat) who doesn’t worry about deficits, favors “big government” (not to mention rejected a generation of pro-immigration and pro-trade Republican dogmas). If Trump keeps control of the Republican party, there might be room for a conservative policy to compete with Trumpian “Big government” populists and the now-socialists Democrats.

    2. The military parade is a drop in the bucket, and most of the cost is paying for troops who get paid anyways.
    Why New York is questionable because many New Yorkers are anti-military, and almost anti-American. The parade is certain to attract counter-demonstrations.

    #1569274

    👑RebYidd23
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    @dovidbt, two wrongs don’t make one right.

    #1569318

    yehudayona
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    Trump canceled the military exercise with South Korea, partly claiming it was too expensive. Its cost would have been $14 million. So now he’s blowing most of it to stroke his own ego. The U.S., unlike dictatorships, doesn’t do military parades except in rare circumstances (like celebrating a military victory).

    #1569293

    Amil Zola
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    Dovid BT feel free to open a thread about the relative vacation expenses of our 44th and 45th presidents. Be sure to support your claims with data from the GAO and not the dog whistles of Pravda (fox news).

    My concern is looming nation debt which has increased by a trillion$ sine the current president came into office, per the GAO. At a time when Americans will be bearing the brunt of the current presidents trade wars the cost of the parade is excessive and without purpose. I agree with akuperma that the money spent on the parade is a mere drop in the bucket. Unfortunately it’s not consistent with our presidents pre election promises of lowering governmental costs and debt.

    #1569346

    DovidBT
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    Dovid BT feel free to open a thread about the relative vacation expenses of our 44th and 45th presidents.

    It’s easier to use your thread. 🙂

    The President needs the support of the military and veterans, so he has to throw money at them.

    #1569387

    Gadolhadorah
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    Akuperma: The parade is in D.C., not NYC…..the Military never wanted the parade and Trump is doing it over their objections. He originally wanted a huge parade with like the one held every year in Paris (for Bastille Day), and in China and Moscow with Tanks, missile carriers, etc. and tens of thousands of troops. Instead, what he is getting is approximately 6500 uniformed soldiers and veterans (most from units in the D.C. area) with no Tanks or heavy armored vehicles (since the D.C. streets won’t support them and the city is doing its best to obstruct the parade.) The parade will end will a flyover of some jets stationed at Air Base Andrews and Patuxent Naval Air Station and some vintage aircraft. The military is hoping to get by with the least amount of show that will allow the Trumpkopf (the nation’s draft-dodger in chief) to satisfy his ego.

    #1569400

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    CTL going full communist

    #1569407

    yehudayona
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    1, CTL certainly doesn’t need me to defend him, but your remark is beyond bizarre. Who’s buddy-buddy with the former head of the KGB? Hint: it’s not CTL, it’s the draft dodger with the too-big red baseball cap and the too-long red tie. Not to mention the yuuuge ego, so yuuuge that he would rather side with the KGB guy over the U.S. intelligence community than admit that his election was tainted.

    #1569476

    zahavasdad
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    Its one thing to give the $12 Million as some sort of bonus to our troops, its another for a parade

    If you really support the troops let them get a bonus of some sort with the money. Many are struggling financially and in debt. It might be a drop in the bucket, but you never know

    #1569632

    CTLAWYER
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    Thank you Yehudayona. I just looked in while taking a short break from tehillim. Mrs. CTL is currently in surgery, again. I needed a diversion and the Communist label gave me a needed smile.

    #1569634

    CTLAWYER
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    It’s obvious you don’t know what a Communist is. This capitalist, a graduate of Wharton whose daddy didn’t buy his way in loves profit making.
    This is not to say I don’t support FDR style social programs such as Social Security

    #1569651

    Amil Zola
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    Our president and his party support cutting benefits to current military and veterans to the tune of $154 B over 10 years. (Per their proposed budget.) Among the programs cut are veterans job training for both abled and disabled military, cuts to active military family benefits, including housing allowances and medical care. In 2015 nearly 1.5 million veterans and their families were dependent on SNAP benefits with the current administration plans on slashing. I cite these numbers because it seems our active military and retired military would best be served by the administration supporting their needs and not wasting $$ on a Soviet style parade.

    #1569663

    Gadolhadorah
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    The parade is a farce other than stroking the Trumpkopf’s sick ego. There was going to be a Veteran’s day parade in D.C. several days earlier so this will be a slightly expanded version of what happens every year so the Trumkopf can stand by salute and bask in the glow of those who did not crawl away from serving their country because of a bone spur. When asked, each of his 4 grown kids expressed surprise that anyone would have asked them if they considered military service.

    #1569765

    1
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    Gadolhadorah would rather have Hillary and human abedin running the country.

    #1569774

    yehudayona
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    Refuah shleima to Mrs. CTL.

    #1569692

    1
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    Trump is the best president the jews have and will ever have in this country. It’s not 1960. If you support dems, you are a Marxist.

    #1569740

    DovidBT
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    Re: U.S. military pay and benefits

    Even with cuts, military members still receive considerable subsidies, including free or cheap housing, free medical care, free or discounted meals, discounted prices at commissaries, educational benefits.

    And they’re volunteers, not draftees. They chose to be in the military.

    I’m a veteran. I speak from personal experience.

    #1569479

    Joseph
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    This is the worst thing that President Donald Trump, may he have arichas yomim vshonim, has done. May the Ribono Shel Olam continue to bless him with much hatzlacha and brocha.

    #1569798

    1
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    Donald Trump should be king

    #1569808

    👑RebYidd23
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    Joseph, that is unfortunately false.

    #1569909

    CTLAWYER
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    @yehudayona
    Thank you….she’s tough. Made it through another surgery (15 in two years) repeat performance in 8 weeks. As my father Z”L would have said: ‘she’s putting that doctor into a new tax bracket.

    and for all you Trumpsters…….Thank G-d for the ACA Obamacare). As a self employed professional we get our health insurance through the Exchange here in CT. We have the same insurance company and level policy as before ACA, but no limitations for preexisting conditions, and there is no longer a yearly or lifetime cap on benefits (used to be $1 Million a year, $3 Million lifetime) they have paid out close to $4 million in 2 1/2 years. I know she’s worth it, but some government actuary would not agree.
    We pay $500 per month less in our 6th year of coverage than we paid prior to ACA, and we are in our 60s not 50s now. The yearly deductible/out of pocket max is not $700 per person/$1400 per family, so at this time of the year we have no out of pocket expense.
    Yes, I’ve heard/read horror stories about ACA here in the CR, but the system as set up in CT works. Our legislature has acted to make sure it continues, even if there are changes at the national level. If Trump had his way, Mrs. CTL would have been denied care and I would be bankrupt.

    #1570180

    DovidBT
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    @ctlawyer
    You made it clear from that post and others, that your criterion for U.S. President is the effect on your own bank account. I suppose that’s a legimate criterion for a person to use, as long as he’s honest about it and doesn’t pretend that he’s interested in what’s best for the country as a whole..

    #1570354

    Gadolhadorah
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    DuvidlBT

    And the Trumpkof’s only interest is in how he can benefit his own business interests and those of his rich chevrah. The first study of how the benefits of the corporate tax cut were allocated showed that roughly 46 percent were immediately paid out by companies as special dividends, increased regular dividends or used to buy back stock to increase share prices. Less than 4 percent was allocated as one-time bonuses for employees and wage increases. The rest is still carried as retained earnings. Thus, for every dollar that went to workers, more than 10 dollars went to shareholders. While that is certainly legal and consistent with capitalism, don’t pretend that Trump really cares about the poishete American worker.

    #1570341

    CTLAWYER
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    @DovitBT
    Actually the effect of the choice of President on my personal money is only one of many criteria in selecting a President.
    I do not consider the coarse, insulting, serial adulterer who currently holds office as a role model.
    I object to his dismantling healthcare, EPA, and other safeguards. His picks for Department of Education (DeVos and State (Tillerson) are a joke. Installing his inept children as senior advisors is offensive as is his attempt to reap personal and family profit from public service.
    The man has no self control and has made enemies of our friends and allies. I fear for the safety of all Americans.

    I did not agree with all the policies of the Presidents Bush, but they were gentlemen who put country ahead of personal gain. I have known Bill Clinton since he was a law student at Yale. He has a brilliant mind, but not great moral character. President Obama is a brilliant man with wholesome family life. That doesn’t mean I agreed with everything he did. I voted against Trump as opposed to for Hillary Clinton. Her carpetbagging run for US Senate in NY was reminiscent of Bobby Kennedy and his defeat of Senator Keating.

    #1570388

    Milhouse
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    “He is busy living off the public piggy bank”

    How is he doing that, exactly? He gets nothing from the public piggy bank except rent-free accommodation in a house that’s less luxurious than his own home, where he’d much rather live if it were up to him. He even donates his salary. So please explain how he’s living off anyone but himself.

    #1570526

    👑RebYidd23
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    It is up to him.

    #1575914

    yehudayona
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    According to the latest news, the cost of Trump’s military parade has gone from $12 million to $92 million.

    #1575985

    zahavasdad
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    The parade has been cancelled due to the high cost

    #1576025

    DovidBT
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    With today’s technology, a virtual parade could be done for a few thousand dollars. There’s no need to have all the personnel and equipment physically in the same place at the same time.

    #1576038

    zahavasdad
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    A virtual parade does not have the same effect as a real parade

    #1576175

    DovidBT
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    A virtual parade does not have the same effect as a real parade

    It could have the same effect, if it’s handled appropriately. It depends on what effect is desired. If the effect depends on media coverage, I suppose that could be an issue. But considering that the media is the sewer pipe that leads to your head, depending on media coverage is a mixed bag.

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    #1576595

    yehudayona
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    There seems to be only one person who wants a military parade. He claims to be worth several billion dollars. Build a parade and make him pay for it.

    #1576695

    Gadolhadorah
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    Breaking news!!! The parade has been rescheduled and relocated from Washington D.C. to Tijuana. All those thousands of state national guard troops that the Trumpkopf sent to patrol the border but have instead been sitting around doing administative tasks for the Border Patrol will particpate in a Parade nex year on the Cinquo de Mayo holiday. They will be marching to the music of mariachi bands rather than the traditional military bands but most importantly, MEXICO will pay for the Trumpkof’s paradei

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