Tagged: #sushi #oneg shabbos
December 28, 2021 1:15 am at 1:15 am #2045503
okaaaay, I’m a foodie and I’m VERY particular. I love steak and sushi (duh) but I think the best food is Farina. seriously, if you’ve never tried it, go buy some now.
Ps. it’s NOT baby foodDecember 28, 2021 1:29 am at 1:29 am #2045529
A Yid shouldn’t be a foodie.
That said, agreed, farina is delicious.
I’ll pass on sushi.December 28, 2021 2:14 am at 2:14 am #2045542rightwriterParticipant
Farina isn’t that great.December 28, 2021 2:14 am at 2:14 am #2045535yungermanSParticipant
Cholent mixed with Kishka is more delicious.
Try it outDecember 28, 2021 5:50 am at 5:50 am #2045539
ummm… why can’t a yid be a foodie? actually, i see a lot of emphasis on food in yiddishkietDecember 28, 2021 5:51 am at 5:51 am #2045545
Cheese blintzes and cheese latkes probably came directly from Har Sinai, considering how good they are (if done right).December 28, 2021 5:51 am at 5:51 am #2045546
yeah, but that’s a classic. there’s nothing like a hot farina on a cold day….ahhhh…December 28, 2021 8:03 am at 8:03 am #2045606
@UJM they had yiddisher foodies for years, they were allways called Fressers. LOL
Koko-osh cake rocks! the experts gave the opinions, UJM says its best with cold mik, Avrira said the brisker eat at least 8 ozs. Reb E likes it hot out of the oven.December 28, 2021 11:36 am at 11:36 am #2045630
CS: we can follow all shittos by having an 8 oz piece of kokosh hot out of the oven with a cup of cold milkDecember 28, 2021 11:36 am at 11:36 am #2045631
“A Yid shouldn’t be a foodie…”
Azoy, ….too much time spent dissing bnos yisroel and not enough time checking out the early versions of the Michelin ratings in Eretz Cannan. When Yitzchak avinu (aka the Founding Foodie) wanted a simple roast goat with a good cabernet) and Yaakov learned of his desire, he immediately worked with Executive Chef Rivkah Imanu and provided his father with a four-star repast, (although the reviewer noted a few goat hairs on the plate that might have fallen off the server’s uniform).
Throughout our history and mesorah, FOOD has been part of the centrality of yiddeshkeit.
B’taavon!!December 28, 2021 11:57 am at 11:57 am #2045665December 28, 2021 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #2045678
GD: totally maskim! how do you make Yiddishkiet exciting without the taam ochel for little children? They don’t understand what it means to gets the Torah on Shuvuos. they understand CHEESECAKE. same for the other yamimtovim. As they get older, they realize that it’s the sugary coating to Yiddishkiet and the deeper message will soon follow.
BTW, I’m speaking from that child perspective, so take it from me😏December 28, 2021 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #2045703
To ujm’s point; one who cultivates a love of the pleasures of olam hazeh not for Hashem(as in, not for shabbos, y”t, simchas) violates lo sasuru, and an issur asei of veahavta es Hashem, because he’s loving something else… The sefer hachinuch writes this and ends off “veonsho gadol”December 28, 2021 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #2045710dontagreeParticipant
Farina-agreedDecember 28, 2021 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #2045744
i don’t think we’re going so far as saying that we harbor a deep, unconditional, emotional, love for food. just like if i have to sustain myself with this thing it might as well be delicious 😋December 28, 2021 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #2045752
Avira, Yasher Koach. Sometimes I can relate the Emes but can’t explain the details as well as you.December 28, 2021 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #2045778yaakov doeParticipant
Cholunt wiith kishka along with a single malt Scotch is a true mechayahDecember 28, 2021 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #2045779
Its really a strech to claim that if one kvels about the food that the Ebeshter has provided to us and for which we thank him each time we take a bite, he is elevating his love of farina, kishka or mapu tofu over his love of hashem and violates the issur of lo sasuru, and the mitzvas asei of veahavta es Hashem….
Ahavas tofu and ahavas hashem are NOT mutually exclusive!!December 28, 2021 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #2045834
Gadolha, check out the lashon of the chinuch (brought in the mishnah berurah lehalacha) ובכלל זה שלא לרדוף אחר תאוות העולם הזה כי אחריתם רעה וכדי בזיון וקצף mitzvah 387.
Biur halacha, siman 1, on the 6 mitzvos temidios –
והקובע את מחשבתו בעניינים הגשמיים ובהבלי העולם שלא לש”ש רק להתענג ולהשיג כבוד ביטל עשה זו ועונשו גדול
Neither source seems to indicate that the issur is only when one loves the other thing more than Hashem.
The chinuchs second piece in the same mitzvah – , כלומר שהוא רודף אחר תאוות העולם כגון שהוא משים לבו תמיד להרבות תענוגים גדולים לנפשו מבלי שיכון בהן כלל לכוונה טובה, כלומר שלא יעשה כדי שיעמוד בריא ויוכל להשתדל בעבודת בוראו, רק להשלים נפשו בתענוגים, כל מי שהוא הולך בדרך זה עובר על לאו זה תמיד בכל עת עסקו במה שאמרנו.
This seems to say that the issur is when one is תמיד, which is relative – an argument can be made to say he means like you, but I’m not convinced of it. Tamid sometimes means once a day; here it can mean the same thing – the main thing is the kavanah; if someone natural enjoys food; gezunterheit, just don’t make a huge deal over it and make big plans as to how to enjoy the most that you can.December 28, 2021 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #2045844
AD….very interesting and compelling argument. I would suspect the same inyan would apply to any “secular” (with a lower-case “s”) activity/hobby engaged in by a yid which moves beyond the level of a diversion for physical/mental health needs and becomes a quasi-obsession.December 28, 2021 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #2045846December 28, 2021 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #2045868
ummm… is that a joke?December 28, 2021 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #2045883
Gadolha, definitely – the tanya makes note of that in perek 5 (i think), where he differentiates between secular pursuits that are leshem shomayim (which include what you mention as distraction/mental health) and those which are notDecember 28, 2021 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #2045901
The Ben Ish Chai says that we say Shabbos Shalom because we are uniting the mitzva of eating for shabbos and one’s desire of food by eating lashem Shomayim.
We call the sacrifice shelamim making peace between Hashem and us by eating lashem Shomayim, see SA O’CH 231.December 28, 2021 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #2045906
On one hand, we have so many brochos on food, and one for Torah, and also several for natural events. Seems like Hashem gave us a variety of products to enjoy them.
On the other hand, they say that as Aron did not take space in B’M (20-10*2=0), so shoudl T’Ch not take much space. Taken literally, a T’Ch who eats a lot will take too much space.December 29, 2021 12:24 am at 12:24 am #2045916
A nazir is a sinner because he doesn’t want to enjoy what Hashem provided to us.December 29, 2021 1:01 am at 1:01 am #2045930
Maskim. Hashem gave us so much variety of food, you’d be blind to miss it. now for my suggestions:
chulent (especially Thursday night)
ENJOY!!!December 29, 2021 4:59 am at 4:59 am #2045944
My Grandfather ZL. would always get disgusted when a American balbatisher person woould talk about food, he would say in der alter heim who would talk about food, the shleppers and the schnorrers who never had food and when they had meat the only thing that remained was the memory.
I found as a rule the people busy talking about food are very shallow people with no real interests in life.December 29, 2021 8:56 am at 8:56 am #2045968KuvultParticipant
You haven’t lived til you’ve had my Mother’s Southern Ribs on Yom Tov.December 29, 2021 8:58 am at 8:58 am #2045989
“I found as a rule the people busy talking about food are very shallow people with no real interests in life……”
Actually, quite the opposite. I have a good friend who is a researcher at Sloan Kettering in NYC (who was at one time considered for a nobel prize for his work in molecular biology) is also an outstanding chef and is fascinated by the food chemistry of cooking. In between, he also finds time for a daf yomi going on 6 or 7 years now. I don’t consider him, nor many of our other frum friends who enjoy (and talk about) good food and many other subjects to be “shallow”. Nor are they obsessive to the point of searching for the perfect woodland mushroom or artisinal salt.December 29, 2021 11:57 am at 11:57 am #2046056
The Ramban on Kedoshim Tihye says to sanctify ourselves with the permitted, to enjoy things with a measure not be nivul birshus hatorah, a villain on the umbrella of the Torah.December 29, 2021 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #2046071
OHMYGOSH! you are at it again!! you are allowed to talk about food!! you’re even allowed to ENJOY food. if someone thinks that talking about food is shallow, then go join a topic convo and discus a man’s (won’t say a name, of course!!) mistakes, death, and whether or not you could have a male therapist. i mean, this is the most kosher (no pun intended) conversation you can have!!!December 29, 2021 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #2046098
Common; this is one of the rare times that we are on exactly the same page – very good post!December 29, 2021 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #2046116
Nothing wrong enjoying the food, just check whether it affects your decision making:
if you are choosing between staying home or going to a dvar Torah, you hesitate and a kiddush after that makes you go – that is fine at some level. But if one shul has a better dvar Torah and another – better food, and you choose food, maybe this is not fine. If you go get “free” food because you are hungry – fine. If you get it because it is tastier than what you wish to spend – then, less so. There are though several agadot about poor people who demanded “stuffed bird” (a delicatessen of Gemora times) and being offered beans instead .. Conclusions seem to be inconclusive, but generally supportive of the demand – one guy choked and died without favoring food, in another case, Rav’s sister suddenly comes in from faraway and brings the stuffed chicken.December 29, 2021 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #2046126
AAQ: Absolutely fascinating story….who would have thunk they had Turdukin in “Gemorah Times” and some fool tried to pass off beans for the bird. Such a shandah.December 29, 2021 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #2046174
Gadol, chicken used to be way more expensive. Maybe it is cheap now due to industrial methods raising them. So, when we say that men need “basar” for yom tov, we are saying that they should be OK with just meat, without the chicken. Rav, who offered beans, meant – I can give you what I eat myself. An interesting nekudah is the sister that appeared with the chicken: she was travelling for days, so Hashem gave her an idea to prepare the chicken for the poor man who will come to Rav several days later, anticipating his response.January 17, 2022 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #2051983KokoshcakeParticipant
POUTINE!!! Too bad it’s only a Canadian food.
And agreed, a Yid should not have any other label besides for an EVED HASHEMJanuary 18, 2022 12:17 am at 12:17 am #2052036
Poutine is perhaps the best reason to stay south of the 45th parallel ….if you yearn for burnt french fries covered with a greyish-orange gravy and topped with cholov yisroel cheese curds that taste like the small pink colored rubber erasers you used in elementary school than I guess you’ll have to find a chavrusah in Kiryas Tosh.January 18, 2022 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #2052164moishekapoiehParticipant
chocolate mousse – case closedJanuary 18, 2022 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #2052174January 18, 2022 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #2052241charliehallParticipant
Tell your wife that she shouldn’t be wasting her time cooking delicious food because it is asur to love food and see how she reacts.January 23, 2022 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #2053793user176Participant
Of coarse every action we do must be leshem shamayim. That being said, a person who speaks about a material pleasure should not have to put out a disclaimer every time, “I am a foodie (but only leshem shamayim).” Im a big fan of mussar, but sometimes it’s a bit too much.January 23, 2022 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #2053858
“I’m a big fan of mussar, but sometimes it’s a bit too much…”
Agreed. I always felt guilty running off to the Kiddush Club on shabbos בְּחֻקֹּתַי while the baal koreh was reading the Tocheichah (which I generally couldn’t hear anyway). I’ve also given up on my original aspirations to become the official baal musar for members of the Club.January 25, 2022 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #2054627
tongueJanuary 27, 2022 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #2055469KGNParticipant
Sushi is good but not as filling as other fish choices because it’s mostly rice (carbs).January 27, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2055486
KGN: Have you ever heard of “sashimi”….sort of like a cheeseburger where you’ve asked them to hold the cheese, bun, special sauce, tomato and onion.
If you want to stay with the maki style sushiroll, ask your local Itame to prepare a Ungarishe Roll with really fresh pike or carp rolled in Nori (dried seaweed) and topped with a simple sugar syrup. B’taavon!!February 1, 2022 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #2056795
Okay, i want to reinsinuate that farina is the best. like non-negotiable.
for those that haven’t had the privilege of tasting it, here is the recipe:
figure out the measurements yourself but creamy and thick is betterFebruary 1, 2022 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #2056819bored_teen 💕Participant
I don’t understand how this topic is still active. How are you guys so enthusiastic about food?!February 1, 2022 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #2056834🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
what’s it to you??February 1, 2022 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #2056837🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
hey shadchansays! how you feeling these days?
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