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Under what circumstances must we be Dan L’Kaf Zechus?
For anyone anyime?
For any yid?
No. See Rabbeinu Yona in Avos Perek 1 to “Vehevei dan es kol adam l’kaf zechus”.
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http://www.otzar.org/wotzar/book.aspx?149580
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in circumstances where you are unsure if a person is doing something wrong or not, be dan l’kaf zechus. The gemara in shabbos 127b says that if you judge others favorably and positively, you yourself will be judged that way too. I don’t think you should worry about finding kulahs when this din doesn’t apply- instead just judge others positively all the time!
I’m no posek, but… he classifies an Adam Beinuni as ????? ???? ?? ?????? ???? ??? so we could assume that a Rasha Gamur is someone who only does bad ma’asim. He also began by saying that the Mishna is talking about someone who is an unknown.
This is so easily misunderstood. If you review the statements throughout Shas on ?? ??? ????, you will discover that it is misinterpreted by people way too often. If you are made aware of an allegation that something occurred, there is no reason to disbelieve that it happened. That would be foolish. Should one not trust just because the material is negative? Rather, it means that there may be alternative explanations, and that one should be ready to accept those as the reasons for a reported behavior.
The obvious difference is when there is no alternative explanation that matters. A case in point that is tragically more common than we would hope. There is a story reported that an individual (let’s call him Joe) abused a child (let’s call him Jake). You, the listener to this, may opt to distrust the information, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with being ?? ??? ????. If you otherwise trust the one giving over the information, you might seek another explanation for what occurred. In this instance, it is quite difficult to excuse the behavior, as the circumstances, even the intention of Joe, would not diminish the victimization. Invoking ?? ??? ???? could well be a huge mistake. It violates the fundamental requirement of ???? ??? ????, and trashes the virtue of ??? that is basic to being a Torah Jew. I’m sorry for using this example, but it is one that becomes central discussion too often, and is a perversion of the intent of Chazal.
tlik, you are wrong. If someone tell you loshon hora you are not allowed to believe it. And if someone tells you someone did some aveira, you are not allowed to accept that claim at face value. And there almost always is an alternative explanation and/or the possibility that the claim itself is untrue.
semisrael:
No one said you should disbelieve lashon horah. You should not be mekabel it. You are not obligated to trust or distrust anyone. However, there are times when the tests of truth have been passed. It is stupid to still insist that it is not true. The example of several of the recent tragic reports of abuse is apropos. People wished to disbelieve even after proof and confessions, and chose to pervert the Chazal dictate of ?? ??? ???? as the basis for their folly. You can choose to disbelieve information that has not been proven, but ?? ??? ???? has nothing to do with that. Again, go through the countless examples of ?? ??? ???? that grace the pages of Shas and Midrash. The true translation of the words of Chazal is obvious. I am not telling anyone to accept lashon horah.
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