December 22, 2010 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #721827Trying my bestMember
Hair covering is a necessity; hair covering with a shaitel is not a necessity.December 23, 2010 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #721828enlightenedjewMember
What about women who work in an environment that precludes covering your hair with a hat or tichel or snood? What are they supposed to do?December 24, 2010 3:25 am at 3:25 am #721829
wow WaitingforMoshiach I like your thread. Very good post. I myself go with a shpitzl by the way.
Funny story, my husband who works with a goyim was once approached by one of these men from Sri Lanka or India. He says in his unrefined English: Yeah, hey you know our women each year cut their hair to give to our gods in our temple then we sell it and your women buy it they make nice wig yeah. you know?
My husband was not shocked even though this was AFTER the mass sheital hysteria of 2004. Rather he was deeply saddened that Rabbonim have not yet taken a stand against the human hair sheital. WHY?
1. Its impossible to properly supervise ENTIRLELY the sheital
s production from the time the hair is cut from the womans head until final product, thus rendering any hechsher invalid.
2. How many Europeans do you know of grow their hair for industry profits? …um…none.
3. Fact is its the low class Eastern Indian and sri lankan idol worshippers.
4. Unfortunatley some frum people want their looks at any cost. And giving up the sheital is a big part of it which they are not willing to come to terms with.December 24, 2010 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #721830popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Your mistake is in thinking that those facts you present result in its being assur.
You can trust that the rabbonim who mattir it have done their homework.December 26, 2010 1:23 am at 1:23 am #721831
popa bar abba when the Satmar Rebbe was niftar there was a remark made by one of the leading Gedolim, whose name I cannot remember right now, and who referred to the Satmar Rebbe as “The last of the lions”. THe fact was that he was willing to stand up to what is true and correct. In going against the rest of the world.
Today we do not see such courage, unfortunately, and you burying your head in the sand does not change that.December 26, 2010 2:16 am at 2:16 am #721832Trying my bestMember
frum: Rav Yitzchok Hutner zt”l called the Satmar Rebbe zt”l the last lion, although he called him that prior to the Rebbe’s petira, if I’m not mistaken. Here is the context:December 26, 2010 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #721833
Thanks Trying my best. I learned something I didn’t know.
Although it could be argued my point is unrelated, I would like to point out the question that should be asked “What was it that gave the Satmar Rebbe the title of “…a lion…the last of its’ kind..”
I must reiterate that I feel its the fact that ‘some’ of today’s accepted yiddishkeit, and some of what we ‘accept with hechsheirim’ as yiras shomayim and ‘some’ of the rulings amongst ‘some’ Rabbonim are not what it use to be. Emphasis on the word “some”.
I was stating the Satmar Rebbe zichrono l’vracha in this example because he was against the sheital.
The facts I said above are not made up.December 26, 2010 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #721834Aishes ChayilParticipant
I agree with you 100 per cent.
The Torah says ‘Vichay Bohem’. We are not obligated to inflict unpleasant chumros upon ourselves.
Re- The Satmar Rebbe had many chassidim withOUT beards who’s wives obviously did not wear koupkes. He respected those Chassidim. In fact, he once said its not the ‘beard’ in the Jew , but the Jew in the beard.December 26, 2010 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #721835basmelechParticipant
I would gladly go without a sheitel except for peer pressure that I want to look “normal”. Every time I see a woman at a simcha or in shul with a different head covering (I am not talking about in a chassidishe oilam) I go over to her and praise her, because I believe she is doing what is really right. I don’t wear a $3000 wig or even a $1000 one, but, a simple shortish one that wasn’t too expensive. I hope when Moshiach comes we will all do the right thing and if the psak is to go without a sheitel, I will gladly do so.December 26, 2010 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #721836CedarhurstMember
When did Jewish women wear wigs for the first time?
Also, until about 15 years ago, human hair wigs were very uncommon. You could always tell if someone was wearing a wig or not.December 27, 2010 12:28 am at 12:28 am #721837msseekerMember
I’ve had litvishe ladies come up to me and compliment me on my “beautiful” head-covering. I’m floored every time.December 27, 2010 1:18 am at 1:18 am #721838
msseeker what is your head covering? A shpitzel?December 27, 2010 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #721841msseekerMember
Without going into too many identifying details, it includes a tichel. I do splurge, like most chassidish women, on beautiful silk tichels in eidel but flattering colors like soft pinks and blues.December 27, 2010 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #721842frumthanyouMember
this is the first time that i have posted so i’m a little nervouus. the gemara states that “saar eisha ervah” (the hair of a woman is ervah. it most CERTAINLY does not state that the hair coming from the root is ervah and otherwise it is not. that is why i feel that the whole issue of human hair sheitels is pushing the limits of halacha to the breaking point.
if the whole issue of sheitels is covering the hair and not drawing attention to oneself, women should wear their sheitels in the house in the presence of their husbands and wear a tichel,etc.when in the street. of course the opposite is usually true. i am very careful to be dressed nicely when i am with my husband and not draw attention to me when i am out and about.
the final issue that i wish to express is one concerning lashon harah. on more than one occaion i have heard a woman state about another woman “i thought that she was frum and that she would cover her hair after she got married, but i guess that i was wrong” you cannot imagine the embarrasment when i pointed out to her that the lady was wearing a custom human hair sheitel.December 27, 2010 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #721843charliehallParticipant
“What about women who work in an environment that precludes covering your hair with a hat or tichel or snood? What are they supposed to do?”
My wife’s employer has an absolute rule against wearing headcoverings EXCEPT when required for religious reasons. Most employers in America will be lenient here, especially in the NY area where there are so many Jewish and Muslim women who cover their hair. There may also be some protection under state civil rights law.
My wife has a whole closetful of hats and scarves for a total cost of less than a single human hair wig.
“When did Jewish women wear wigs for the first time?”
While they seem to have been mentioned in the gemara as commenters above have noted, wigs were pretty much unknown in lands were Jews lived for a thousand years and returned in Europe in early modern times as a non-Jewish custom among both men and women. Most of the founding fathers of the United States wore wigs. (George Washington was an exception.) Jews simply followed the non-Jewish customs. With rare exceptions such as British judges, men stopped wearing wigs about 200 years ago.
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