January 20, 2021 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1940820
As a lasting act of extreme Chesed by President Donald Trump to Klal Yisroel, Mr. Trump heeding the numerous pleas of Gedolei Yisroel both in Eretz Yisroel and in the United States, along with the requests of numerous other Yidden and friendly gentiles, granted the freedom of many Yidden — often a decade or decades ahead of their scheduled release.
He had nothing to gain granting them their freedom. He gave Jews, especially Orthodox Jews, far far more in relative proportion to their population with these special grants of executive clemency and other matters of great benefit to both yechidim and Klal Yisroel at large than he gave to virtually any other demographic group.
But most presidents when granting large number of pardons only do so shortly before leaving office. Had President Trump won reelection, as the vast majority of Bnei Torah and Frum Yidden sincerely desired and many even davened for, in all likelihood these Yidden who are Baruch Hashem free today, would have not had their freedom for another four years.January 21, 2021 9:28 am at 9:28 am #1941087jackkParticipant
Very good lesson.
Always look at game zu ltovah.
Yosher KoachJanuary 21, 2021 9:50 am at 9:50 am #1941096
jackk, yasher koach for your approbation. When I saw on the main page that your comment was the first response, I wrongly braced myself for a strong critique. I was very pleased to read your feedback.January 21, 2021 10:13 am at 10:13 am #1941099GadolhadorahParticipant
We are thankful for the small positive things he accomplished along with some fairly substantial gains. However, they were literally drowned in all the noise, hatred, lies and chaos he sowed both here and around the world. Had he taken the advice from many of his closest advisors early on and toned down the tweets and rhetoric and shown even a modest degree of humility, he would have been unbeatable.January 21, 2021 10:24 am at 10:24 am #1941101🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Yes, hatred can be very blinding.January 21, 2021 11:24 am at 11:24 am #1941121
To ujm: Would your opinion that Trump showed chesed change if it were proven that he was paid for his pardons? If I practiced Trump’s epistemology, I would point to the rumors that he was paid for some (if not all) the pardons he issued. At this time, however, I have seen little proof in support of these rumors.January 21, 2021 11:24 am at 11:24 am #1941123
Trump’s loss is golden. I don’t care about the lining.January 21, 2021 11:50 am at 11:50 am #1941138jackkParticipant
ujm, I actually want to request mechila for my strong response yesterday regarding talking about thanking trump and not thanking Hashem. I had just listened to a 3 minute shmooze from Rabbi Joey Haber on “we got carried away” with trump (you can find it on the web) and your post was a perfect example of getting carried away. After hitting ‘post’ , I reconsidered and thought to myself that just because you didn’t print in your post a thanks to Hashem doesn’t mean that wasn’t in your mind. I should have been more generic about “how we should never forget that humans are shluchim of Hashem”, than actually posting what I wrote. I also got carried away.January 21, 2021 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1941142Yserbius123Participant
As a side note, there is one Yid that was pardoned who is being mistakenly referred to in the media as an Orthodox Jew.
Edited – I am not sure that information fulfills the requirements for postingJanuary 21, 2021 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm #1941141GadolhadorahParticipant
Huju: As skeptical as I am about anything he touched, I doubt there were any “direct” payoffs that would be actionable by federal prosecutors and/or legitimize any of the pardons granted Sadly, the political pandering and “paying-for-pardons” has been around longer than trump. In the case of the pardons granted this week, many were legit but too many were clearly based on being FoTs or FoKs (friends of Trump and Kushner, respectively). Some were clearly based on having hired lawyers and consultants with close Trump connections. However, absent amending the Constitution, there is not a lot that can be done through legislation that remove the President’s virtual absolute discretion to grant a pardon without even offering a reason. (The fact that a wealthy yid or goy can become a big baal tzadakah after being convicted of a felony should not be a basis for a pardon but is typically among the reasons cited as was the case this week). iJanuary 21, 2021 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm #1941176☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Jackk, I’m impressed.January 21, 2021 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #1941193
jackk, no need for mechila as I never held anything against you. In fact I virtually never take anything online personal. To whatever extent you think it’s needed it’s gladly given. I do, though, appreciate the sentiment you expressed.January 21, 2021 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #1941223
To Gadolhadorah: You are being too clever by half. I was asking a hypothetical question: Is it chesed by a president if he pardons someone for money? All the stuff you raise is incidental.January 21, 2021 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1941322ParticipantParticipant
gosh what’s with this place. any thread about anything gets hijacked with trump talk. now that there’s a trump thread it became this emotional lovenest commune.January 22, 2021 1:56 am at 1:56 am #1941374Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
GH: Had he taken the advice …
As you are sympathetic to liberal views, it may be hard for you to appreciate how the other half of the country feels when most of information space is filled & controlled by the other side. People like Mitt Romney ran as a gentleman and had all possible qualifications to be a President. He was laughed of both for being cruel to his dog and for claiming that Russia is our worst enemy. So, those who are opposed to creeping progressivism, had to go for someone different. If you were to vote for Romney, you might not have gotten Trump.
I would compare Trump to Yiftach. He has qualities needed in this generations, and he is also limited by them.January 22, 2021 11:33 am at 11:33 am #1941448
To always aks questions: Mitt Romney was caught on tape saying some ungentlemanly things about 47% of the electorate. I don’t remember exactly what he said, but I think he accused them (or us?) of being schnorrers (not his actual word) who would never vote Republican.January 22, 2021 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #1941475commonsaychelParticipant
@huju, Romney was Governor of MA. and worked with a number of Jews in venture capital so he may know the term schnorrer. This the dictonary definition of Schnorrrer:
Actually spelled Schnorrer or shnorrer and is a Yiddish term meaning “beggar” or “sponger”.1 The word Schnorrer also occurs in German to describe a person who frequently asks for little things, like cigarettes or little sums of money, without offering a return, and has thus come to mean freeloader. The English usage of the word denotes a sly chiseler who will get money out of another any way he can, often through an air of entitlement.
Mike is such a schnorer , always bumming a cigarette . I have yet to get one in return
FYI Romney is right!January 22, 2021 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1941501Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
huju, the full quote is below. I am not sure what the relevance here is, are you trying to say that this is super-offensive? You are illustating my point …
All I am sayin’ is that if candidates who say such things (in private) are deemed unacceptable to the newsmakers, then Republicans have a choice – run someone like Trump who will fight, or not bother to run for elections at all.
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.
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