The sixth day in Chodesh Tammuz A day of tragedy in water year after year !

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    max dear
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    it’s noted from the Shniva Ruv zt”l Rebbe Yechezkel Shraga Halberstam who quoted Rishonim not to go swimming or boating or giving blood on the sixth day of Tammuz every year this day turns into tragedy, YWN should post a reminder next year or still today a Note to the public

    #1756115

    bk613
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    What happened in previous years?

    #1756134

    Grey matter
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    This not the time to post this.Try next year Rosh Chodesh Tamuz.

    #1756135

    mamajava22
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    The only thing I found while searching was the raid on Entebbe took place on 6 Tammuz, when Yoni Netenyahu was killed, but it certainly didn’t take place on or near water.

    #1756139

    Shevet Levi
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    Every year there are too many unusual tragedies that take place during summer vacation R”L. Maybe it’s about time that we continue our Yeshivas learning on all levels go uninterrupted until Tisha Bav as we so badly need the zechusim to protect klal yisroel especially in America which still has 8-10 weeks of summer vacation. Just my personal opinion but it’s time for change in Brooklyn at least.

    #1756179

    Sam Klein
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    Time for serious teshuva, Kinnus and Taanis together as one loving nation.

    Nothing happens by coincidence. Hashem runs the world and has a master life plan for every person and country in the world etc…

    #1756196

    DrYidd
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    the most immediate lesson is to obey the posted signs.

    #1756207

    Gadolhadorah
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    “Every year there are too many unusual tragedies that take place during summer vacation”

    There is a high correlation between ice cream consumption and violent crime. Both peak in the summer months. Does that imply causality. Likewise, there is a substantial increase in accidental deaths related to drownings, hiking, climbing boating etc. during the months of Tamuz and Av. In both cases, obviously the time of year is linked to these events and without dismissing hashgacha paraatis, there is absolutely nothing “unusual” about a spike in such tragic accidental deaths on a particular summer day.

    #1756316

    ubiquitin
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    “the raid on Entebbe took place on 6 Tammuz, when Yoni Netenyahu was killed, but it certainly didn’t take place on or near water.”

    Of course it did! Entebbe sits on lake Victoria!

    “Every year there are too many unusual tragedies that take place during summer vacation R”L.”

    so true. there are also tragedies that take place during the year R”L. In fact MORE tragedies occur during the year than during the summer. Maybe we should extend Summer vacation over the entire year

    #1756237

    Uncle Ben
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    Wow! Thanks Dora for fulfilling the “Mitzva” of והלכתם עמי בקרי
    I have another “Mitzva” for you, actually you specialize in that one also והיית משוגע!

    #1756246

    max dear
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    just looked it up here on YWN

    11-Year-Old Drowns During Talmud Torah Trip to the North


    it was here in the news a day later

    #1756248

    AhvasChinom
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    mamajava,
    Not to say that it is necessarily significant, but Entebbe is almost at the end of a long peninsula jutting out right into Lake Victoria (which is >150 miles wide), over which the approach and the departure were made at a low altitude, to evade radar. There was even a possibility of parachuting in over the lake, but they decided against that.

    #1756433

    Forshayer
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    I just want to state in advance that the only reason I have this info is because of the דבר בעיתו Gabbai handbook I use in my Shul. ה תמוז this year was the date for תקופת תמוז. A lot of Rebbe’s and people into Kabbalah have the minhag not to drink water left open overnight during the changing of the תקופה. However during this particular change there are more Chumras with regards to water. He brings down that during תמוז all the waters all around the world turn to blood because of the fact that Moshe hit the rock instead of talking to it like the רבש״ע commanded. Problem is that this happened yesterday which was ו and not ה. @Max, could this be what Shiniva Rebbe was talking about?

    #1756446

    Forshayer
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    I just want to state in advance that the only reason I have this info is because of the דבר בעיתו Gabbai handbook I use in my Shul. ה תמוז this year was the date for תקופת תמוז. A lot of Rebbe’s and people into Kabbalah have the minhag not to drink water left open overnight during the changing of the תקופה. However during this particular change there are more Chumras with regards to water. He brings down that during תמוז all the waters all around the world turn to blood because of the fact that Moshe hit the rock instead of talking to it like the רבש״ע commanded. Problem is that this happened yesterday which was ו and not ה. @Max Dear could this be what the Shiniva Rebbe was talking about?

    #1756451

    Shevet levi: lets not ignore the logistical nightmare of how to arrange car pools since there is no public schools in July and therefore no school bus service. Unless the yeshiva has a private company doing there busing all year around.

    #1756464

    A day of tragedy year after year yet you have to go back 10 years to find an incident on that date.

    #1756478

    jerkoq12
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    We are not raised with experience in outdoor sports. When summer arrives people like to try outdoor sport and there are many accidents every summer. Examples are ATV Motor Boats – Segways – Swimming – Surfing- Hiking – Motorcycles – Boating – Horseback riding. Please try all these only with professional instructors.

    #1756598

    max dear
    Participant

    look in דבר בעתו from Rabbi Mordechai Gnut on this date from previous years too you will find much more on vov Tammuz, I found more in Hebrew and had a few links to post its a lot to translate look on Hebrew books and google the date you will find very interesting tragedies for Am Yisroel on this date if you have handy סידורא דסעהרא השלם you will find him quote that this date go back till Moshe Rabainu as very dangers day ,

    #1756909

    Max dear: this the first time in my life that I ever heard that vav tamuz had such a history.

    #1756942

    Teal
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    I’m not sure about tragedies specifically on 6th Tammuz. However, I am aware that many camps take the kids on risky trips, like Delaware river, zip lining and so on… Maybe, camps and individuals should heed to Venishmartem meod lenafshoseichem and calm down the wild trips and activities.

    #1757062

    bk613
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    Whats risky about rafting on the Delaware River and zip lining? In fact, im willing to bet more kids get injured a lot worse playing regular camp activities than both of these activities combined.

    #1757060

    Gadolhadorah
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    Teal: I disagree. My experience is that the frum camps generally take the kids on fewer and less risky trips than the general summer camp population because they actually are aware that the kids have less experience with such activities than their secular/goyishe peers and the show common sense in what they expose the kids to. Also, many of the riskier activities (zip lining, wave runners etc,) are fairly expensive and outside of the budgets of most frum camps that operate on a much lower cost basis and don’t charge the parents several thousand dollars for a 4 week session.

    #1757303

    Dellposs
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    Please consider the possibility that family and friends of the Rabbi. the campers, the staff, the community, etc. may see these posts during this critical time.
    PLEASE DO NOT POST ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NOT SAY IN FRONT OF THEM.

    #1757389

    Amil Zola
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    You seem to have either gotten misinformation, or you are making assumptions about the stories that are painfully untrue.-29

    #1757392

    Amil Zola
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    To the mod, I read newspapers local to this tragedy and read local accounts of the hiking trip as well. Don’t you realize that most scanners are accessible online as well as transcripts of their squaks? Public access to these communications has been available online for decades. YWN is not my sole source of info. I would have to be quite biased to consider only one avenue of reportage regardless of the source or the topic.

    I’m not sure what part of my comment said your information was only from YWN. What I said was that your musser was based on events that didn’t happen per some of the hatzalah guys on the scene, and the camp director. A general warning may be appropriate but it is not the time for that specific feedback, especially if it is unfounded.

     

    #1757433

    Amil Zola
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    My mussar is based on National Guard communications.

    #1757460

    reb mutche
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    In Eretz Yisroel, the daily “Hamivaser” brought this Inyan from the Sinive Ruv this past Tuesday morning.

    I personally know people who canceled swimming that day because of this info.

    May we only hear Besuros Tovos!

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