December 27, 2020 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1932435
The Trump vaccine is a medical miracle developed through President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed in historically record time. Already in use mere months after the new Chinavirus hit whereas previous vaccines literally took years to bring to market.
President Trump should be added to Mount Rushmore as he takes his place among the great presidents such as Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.December 27, 2020 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #1932450charliehallParticipant
“The Trump vaccine is a medical miracle developed through President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed in historically record time.”
Actually the Pfizer/Biontech virus beat it. Pfizer had nothing to do with Warp Speed. It was a triumph of free market capitalism, globalism, and immigration. All of which Trump hates. Oh and the CEO of Pfizer is a Greek Jew whose parents survived the Shoah so it is truimph for the Jewish people! Israel’s embassy to the US featured him lighting Chanukah candles in a virtual ceremony this year. The CEO of Biontech is a German Muslim born in Turkey so it is also a triumph of religious tolerance.
What you call the Trump vaccine is actually the Moderna vaccine. It is similar to the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine. Moderna had never brought a drug to the market, ever. The clinical research was done not by Trump, but by NIAID. Who is the head of NIAID? Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci should be on Mount Rushmore, not Trump. Dr. Fauci is a religious Catholic educated at Catholic schools so this is another triumph for religious scientists.December 27, 2020 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1932458Amil ZolaParticipant
TYVM Charlie, you saved me the typing. I’m really tired of the mythmakers. I can’t figure out if they are lying, brainwashed or just too lazy to do the research to confirm the facts.December 27, 2020 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #1932463
CH: Dr. Fauci ultimately works for President Trump. And his clinical research for Operation Warp Speed was done at the behest of President Trump.December 27, 2020 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #1932473
“President Trump should be added to Mount Rushmore as he takes his place among the great presidents such as Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln…”
UJM: A fairly transparent and pathetic effort at trolling. The only place where the Trumplkopf’s image is likely to appear is on a “Top 10” list maintained by the FBI once the state AGs get access to his tax records. As Charlie noted, one of the two vaccines was developed w/o federal funding although Pfizer did sign an advance production contract with the government to shorten the lead time for distribution once an EUA was granted.
P.S. If you need some tips on how to structure a good trolling post, go back into the archives and search for older posts by some of the legendary CR trollers such as Reb Yosef, Millstone, etc. The key point is that the reader initially has to believe that the poster actually believes in the substance of hia/hwe OP (versus transparently being outrageous or just childishly silly )December 27, 2020 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #1932475
UJM: You are going downhill faster than usual tonight. Facui has NOT done any “clinical research” at Trump’s behest and has actually spent much of the past year contradicting just about everything Trump has said about Covid and the Vaccine w/o getting fired. He is open and transparent about how much we don’t know about this virus and updates his prior positions frequently as we learn more (unlike that idiot Atlas who is back with his herd of morons). He could have retired 10-15 years ago and made a fortune as a “consultant” or serving on corporate Boards like Gottlieb and others but truly is dedicated to public service.December 27, 2020 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #1932482Yserbius123Participant
@ujm That’s nice. But I don’t think Dr. Fauci can take any credit for the Pfizer vaccine. From what I understand (and I welcome corrections) Pfizer did not want to be meshubad to the US so they refused all funding and help. The vaccine was developed mostly in a lab in Germany. Trump and Fauci can take credit for the speedy process in which the FDA approved the vaccine for mass human testing then fast tracking the paperwork to get it approved ASAP. They almost beat the UK in that regard!December 27, 2020 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #1932496
Warp speed supported several parallel efforts and also production, which seems like a very complicated process involving multiple companies both in US and Europe, some of which developing totally new production lines in a matter of months.
I also suggest people here take a short break and review some European press, most of which is as anti-Trump as any. I came up with 12/18 (well 18.12) article in Der Spiegel that depicts how pitiful European process is comparing with UK and US.
US pre-ordered mRNAs in July, EU in November; US/UK ordered a lot from each of the companies, EU mostly from the most favorite ones that have problems (AstroZenics, Sanofi,CureVac). As a result, EU expects to vaccine 2/3 of population in September, 4 months behind US.
So, we are really at a comparatively good spot here. I presume there would always be a delta between EU and US, but it is amazing that this happened consistently in multiple government purchasing decisions, most of them in Warp speed territory, some in FDA (approvals).December 28, 2020 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1932505
my understanding – Pfizer was paying Biontech themselves. It is very typical for a large company to pay for R&D themselves and, thus, keep IP to themselves. [of course, there is also criticism of Trump for giving Phizer those rights]. This is really a manifestation of market power against a lazy customer (US government), as those R&D funds come out of profits from US customers, often regulated.
In ~ 1982, Reagan’s Sec of Navy started doing separate bids for R&D, and then use R&D results as a starting point for production bids for a small number (2-3) of available producers. Industry was not happy to lose “R&D rights”, and it worked. Clinton’s team closed some to generate saving “from duplication”. It is hit and miss from there on between two extremes – either allowing industry own everything, or taking all IP away and making industry into a disinterested manufacturer.December 28, 2020 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1932506
” But I don’t think Dr. Fauci can take any credit for the Pfizer vaccine”
Unless I’m missing something, neither Fauci or any of the other NIH or FDA scientists ever took any credit for the Pfizer (or Moderna)_vaccine. Actually, Fauci has frequently praised the Pfizer researchers who were the ones who made it possible. The new platform used in the development of the Moderna vaccine actually does have some significant input over a decade from government scientists although again, the vaccine itself was entirely the product of Moderna.December 28, 2020 9:35 am at 9:35 am #1932648hujuParticipant
I read on the internet (so it must be true) that Trump’s picture is being painted on the building where Clorox is made.December 28, 2020 9:35 am at 9:35 am #1932646hujuParticipant
To ujm: Are you being paid, directly or indirectly, for your posts?December 28, 2020 10:33 am at 10:33 am #1932658dbrimParticipant
I support adding President Trump to Mt. Rushmore and I am not trolling. I don’t support accusing others of trolling. We get it – Trump is triggering. But 7 million+ voters think he did a good job.December 28, 2020 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #1932677
To huju: is your communism ideological or practical?December 28, 2020 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #1932703yaakov doeParticipant
Trump will pose for a sculpture as soon as he’s finished with all his pending court cases and serves out his concurrent sentences. Not posing for Mt. Rushmore but for a lawn ornament to be produced for Four Seasons Landscaping. I heard that there’s a gun range that also wants sculpture.December 29, 2020 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #1933166charliehallParticipant
Four Seasons Lanscaping is one of the few small businesses that Trump has helped. Like most small businesses, they had been struggling during the pandemic, but the notoriety let them sell a lot of memorabilia like t-shirts, and it was great free advertising. The owner said that the business does not get involved in politics and would have been happy to host an event for Biden.December 29, 2020 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #1933214rtParticipant
trump vaccine because he said he wanted it? He had nothing to do with its creation, skilled experienced scientists did. Operation warped slow motion, only two million vaccinated, when they said twenty million would be done by the end of the year. More incompetent bungling.December 29, 2020 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #1933289
Four Seasons Landscaping is one of the few small businesses that Trump has helped.
Charlie: Actually, the “adult” book store across the parking lot from Four Seasons Landscaping has reportedly become a local “landmark”. Scheduling that news conference will go down in the history of American politics as “Crazy Rudy’s Greatest Moment”,where the battle to restore America’s soul was won.
EditedDecember 29, 2020 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #1933293
Why is EY able to vaccinate its population 6x or 7x faster than the Trumpkopf is able to get the ‘miracle” vaccine into the arms of Americans?? At the current rate, it won’t be until late 2024 or early 2025 until all Americans are vaccinated. Even most Veterans hospitals, which are directly under Trump’s control, have still not vaccinated significant numbers of their most at-risk patientsDecember 30, 2020 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #1933854
Gadol, with all headlines, US is N4 – after Israel, Bahrain, UK …
As Brits commented after WW1, and then after WW2: Americans will always do the right thing after exhausting all the alternatives. The serious part of that was: Americans refused to listen to British prior experiences, made same mistaken, then quickly switched to other mistakes, until finding the right path. Brits were still re-living their first mistakes.
Same thing here: there are many unknowns here. In a month, some state will figure out the path, and others will follow. So far, I am concerned about time spent on finding the right politically correct groups. Seems like some states are turning to age-based. It is a hard balance
One thing that might be correct is happening in UK – giving one dose and waiting 3 months for the 2nd, instead of “reserving doses”
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