November 7, 2012 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #605728
Never mind the ineffective economic plans, never mind the no jobs situation that the Pres had 4 years to improve and didnt, never mind debt to China, never mind Israel and the disrespect shown to PM Netanyahu, what sickens me most is the “everything goes” immoral atphosphere of the country that gained momentum in the last four years, that I thought had a good chance of moving in a healthier direction. I now mourn morality moving in a less healthy direction.
USA voters spoke, and said they’ll pass on morals, as we know them. By and large, USA voters chose the atmosphere of weakening of morality over the strengthening of morality.
Those that see the increase of “freedoms” that go hand in hand with immorality, as a good thing, rather than a bad thing, experienced victory.
Thirty years ago, who would have thought that “civil” countries would fight for the freedom to enact Sodom and Gomorrah laws? What “freedom” can be deemed neccessary next?
What a blow to mankind.
While morals have to be taught at home, what we see on the streets, on the radio, talk of and sight of alternate lifestyles and the other “freedoms” enacted, definitely trickles down to our minds and hearts, young and old, whether we’re sheltered or not, and has an effect on all of us, whether we admit it or not, in ways big and small.
May G-d, who we believe in, and largely they dont, help us.November 7, 2012 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #903217
Heading should read:
The USA voted in 4 more years of increased moral decayNovember 7, 2012 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #903218
Regardless of whether I agree with you or disagree with you:
Considering frum yidden believe in something called yeridas hadoros, what exactly do you expect?
That goyim in masse would chose Torah morals over Hollywood morals?
Seriously?November 7, 2012 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #903219
JayMatt19 “That goyim in masse would chose Torah morals over Hollywood morals?”
Why has morality declined much more in the last 50 years, is my question? Fifty years ago what would have been unthinkable by society at large, never mind Frum people, is now voted into law.November 7, 2012 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #903220adamsParticipant
No. they didn’t want the right wing vision, a return to the dark ages. Blame this loss on the Tea Party.November 7, 2012 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #903221HealthParticipant
We even now have the first openly Toeiva Senator. It’s not a coincidence that the election came between Sandy and a Nor’easter.November 7, 2012 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #903222
Because this is ikva d’mishicha. Have a look at the final daf in Sotah.
Oh, and don’t tell me morals were so great 50 years ago. When were the Jim Crow laws abolished? What were the “laws” 70 years ago in Germany.
The goyish morals are always skewed, just a different skewing every time.
Like I said, Torah vs. Hollywood and you are expecting Tom, Dick and Harry to choose Torah? No chance.
We are the minority, don’t forget it.November 7, 2012 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #903223
Pro Toeiva politicians supporting these laws, arent suffering as a result of the storms, any more than everyone else, unfortunately. Theyre celebrating their gains!
Look at Bloomberg. He’s for Toeiva, against Metzitza! That narcissist is very comfy in his well heated mansion, and not waiting on long gas lines either. Thats what staffers are for. What a farkrumte Jew! He and others like him are so openminded, their brains fell out. Hes also suffering from memory loss regarding the many votes he got from our community, when he pretended to be our friend. Now he mocks us openly (his comment- Im not scared of thousands of Black Hatter Jews….).
How about being scared of G-d, if he believes there is one? How about trampling on his ancestors’ values? What a high-earning, low-life!November 7, 2012 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #903224MorahRachMember
Health, that’s an interesting point.November 7, 2012 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #903225yiddishemishpachaMember
There are reasons why those at the top (hint hint) care so much about toeiva marriage being legalized. There is plenty of information (and some of it scarry) from conservative sources and especially those close to Chicago (a former home…) that are aware of things that, for the most part, the country is not… just do the research. IMHO, then you will see that we are in more trouble than we can even imagine at this moment if we continue to stay in this medina shel chessed in all the wrong places.November 7, 2012 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #903226musser zogerParticipant
Not a toayva Senator. Tammy Baldwin is female not a toayva.November 7, 2012 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #903227
Sometimes I wonder what these left leaning “Jewish” politicians say when visiting the gravesites of their ancestors. I can hear it now:
“Grandpa, Grandma, the reason I support alternate lifestyles is that due to my success and education that you helped provide, Im enlightened now. You were backward”.November 7, 2012 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #903228
Because this is ikvisa d’mishicha. Have a look at the final daf in Sotah.
Oh, and don’t tell me morals were so great 50 years ago. When were the Jim Crow laws abolished? What were the “laws” 70 years ago in Germany?
Those without Torah have skewed morals, just a different skewing every time.
Like I said, Torah vs. Hollywood and you are expecting random people without a Torah background to side with Torah vs Hollywood? No chance.
We are the minority, don’t forget it.November 7, 2012 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #903229Josh31Participant
Most people who voted for Obama voted for their own financial and health security. Obama promised to protect the first $250K from increased income taxes. People are worried about medical bills bankrupting them. The safety net for the elderly and disabled is critical.
I actually belived that Romney would also leave these protections in place, but he failed to convince enough people of this. He made good progress in this matter during the debates, but not enough.November 8, 2012 2:21 am at 2:21 am #903230
Josh, “Most people who voted for Obama voted for their own financial and health security. Obama promised to protect the first $250K from increased income taxes. People are worried about medical bills bankrupting them. The safety net for the elderly and disabled is critical”.
So we’ll all have a couple more dollars in the bank at Sodom and Gomorrah National Bank, while living harmonious lives in beautiful Sodom-Gomorrah.November 8, 2012 3:11 am at 3:11 am #903231HealthParticipant
musser zoger -“Health, Not a toayva Senator. Tammy Baldwin is female not a toayva.”
I don’t get your point. Do you think that I don’t know more than a kid in school? Every kid knows that Miskave Zochorniks are the Chaivey Kreisus, not the females who do this. Yes, she is a Toeiva because she will legislate for their agenda, not just the female agenda, but also the male agenda.November 8, 2012 4:46 am at 4:46 am #903232HaKatanParticipant
2 states also passed laws allowing “gay marriage”.
The only zechus the goyim have is that they don’t write a kesuba bein ish liIsh. That “not writing…” is rapidly disappearing, and it is scary because oy laRasha viOy liShcheino, and now Hashem, for whatever is His reason(s), sent this second storm on top of Super-storm Sandy…
And Mr. Bloomberg somehow thinks this is a “civil rights” issue. Maybe people’s animals should also have full marital rights. Siblings, too, should be able to marry, by that logic. B”H they are free to do what they want, but that doesn’t make it marriage.
This whole “Gay marriage” nonsense is such a breathtaking fraud, yet so many successful and otherwise intelligent people fall for it.
May Hashem protect all His children and redeem us BB”A.November 9, 2012 1:20 am at 1:20 am #903235chassidishY.U.typeMember
There are many barriers in the frum world that need to be changed. Like the yeshiva system, the ‘davening’, the “my rebbe is the only tzaddik” syndrome, ‘kollel for everyone’ malady, narrowmindedness in certain areas of Halacha, and others. Hashem is breaking down the barriers in the world in general in order to prepare the way for mashiach who will introduce the world to a shleimus that will be bli metzarim.
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