February 9, 2012 4:16 am at 4:16 am #1215802HaLeiViParticipant
Another thing is not to sleep with your clothing next yo your head. The Maharil was very Makpid about this.February 9, 2012 5:14 am at 5:14 am #1215803Sam2Participant
HaLeiVi: Next to or underneath?February 9, 2012 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1215804HaLeiViParticipant
I think it was clothing underneath or shoes next to.February 12, 2017 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #1215805
According to the Mishna Berurah (siman 2, s”k 2), you are not supposed to put on 2 articles of clothing at once, since it’s “kashe l’shikcha”.
I think I may have seen or heard somewhere that this does not apply to women, but I don’t remember where. Does anyone know if this is correct, and if so what the source is?
DY or Iacisrmma – are either of you around? Or does anyone else know?
Thanks!February 12, 2017 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #1215806
Yes it’s correct LU. Putting on two (or more than one) shirts at once can cause one to forget Torah.
Heard it last week from a rabbi on a TorahAnytime shiur.
He said that if one is hasty with getting dressed he can be hasty with his learning. — This applies for men specifically. Since men have a chiyuv to learn.
Will see if I can find the shiur.February 12, 2017 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1215807
Rabbi Avraham Kohan
“What Causes Forgetfulness – part 2- Halacha”
Listen on Torah Anytime. It’s under 10min.February 12, 2017 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #1215808lesschumrasParticipant
The source for the socks is in maseches Bubba MaisahFebruary 12, 2017 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1215809
I’m listening to it again.
Other ones he says:
Worrying about parnassa
Making jokes that put down someone else- letzanoot
Looking at an angry person -because you absorb the person’s tumah
Oh no I didn’t hear it. Maybe it was in Part 1? Or I skipped the first 3min. So I will listen to that and see. BrbFebruary 12, 2017 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1215810
Yay here the day before… shiur on TorahAnytime
Rabbi Avraham Kohan
What Causes Forgetfulness?- HalachaFebruary 12, 2017 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #1215811
Only men need to be careful (Or women who are pregnant because they may be having a boy.)
Eating too many olives, machlokes
Learning Torah for intellectual pursuit
Someone who takes a nap in beit med rash
Someone who leaves a Sefer Torah book open, SA etc, — need to put another Sefer on top of it or close it if you leave the room
Forgetting Netilat yadayim
Washing feet at one time
Hands are wet and use shirt to dryFebruary 12, 2017 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #1215813
If you wear two shirts in one shot or take them off at one shot.******
in the 7th minute. Rabbi Avraham Kohan from the first part shiur on Feb 2 2017
He didn’t go into explanation here so I guess that was my guess based on his other reasons why.February 12, 2017 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #1215814
LB – thank you – I listened to part of it, but he didn’t give a source as far as I could tell, so it didn’t really help me.
I listened to a couple of other shiurim meanwhile of the topic but they also didn’t bring sources for this.
I did find a place online where it discussed it, and brought sources, but I am not familiar with any of these sources, and had trouble finding them on hebrewbooks. There were sefarim with some of the same names, but I wasn’t sure if they were the right sefarim, and I couldn’t find the place quoted.
If you’re around, DY, and can help me, that would be great. You’re always very good at finding things on hebrewbooks.
The sources were: ????? ????? 72/2, ??? ?????? ??? ?,
vol 2, 8417 ??”? ?? ????
(assuming I copied them down right).February 12, 2017 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1215816
Yay is this it?
…”The Shevet HaKehosi (1:7) brings from the Yosef Ometz”…
The Mogen Avrohom brings from sources in Kabbalah that you should not put on two articles of clothing at one time because it makes you forget things (Kosheh L’Shikcha).
It is brought from the Arizal that a certain holy light cannot envelop the inner garment if put on in this manner. It seems from both the Mogen Avrohom and the Arizal that taking off two garments at once is permitted.
We find some great tzaddikim (including Rav Aharon MiBelz and the Shulchan HaTahor of Komarna) were Makpid not to take off two garments at once.
Why? The Shevet HaKehosi (1:7) brings from the Yosef Ometz that if you take off for example two shirts at once, since they remain stuck one inside the other, when you get dressed again you may put them both on together. Therefore in order to avoid such an occurrence you should take of each garment separately.”
From RevachFebruary 12, 2017 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #1215817
Thanks, LB. Actually, I have a source for that part. What I was looking for a source for was the concept that the halacha of not putting on two garments together does not apply to women. (if that is the case.)
But thanks for your efforts.February 12, 2017 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #1215818
Magen Avraham O.C. 2:3,
Baer Heitev 2:2,
Yosef Ometz 578, page 123,
Siddur Yaavetz page 87, 2,
Ben Ish Chai Pinchas 2:18,
Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 3:5,
Mishnah Berurah 2:2,
Kaf HaChaim 2:26,
Me’Asaf Lechol Hamachanos 2:12,
Kav Hayashar 46, pages 220-221, see Eishel Avraham Butchatch 2.
From pg24, HaRav Yisroel Belsky, shlit”a compiled by Rabbi Moshe Dovid Lebovits
Title: Piskei Halacha
Ch 1.”Actions That Cause Forgetfulness of Torah (Kasheh L’shikchah)”
See pgs 23-24February 12, 2017 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #1215819
Oh. Rabbi Avraham Kohan said that in the shiur.
Why not ask him?
There is a contact page on the website for Torah Ohr of Great Neck, NY.
Also from the website…
575 Middle Neck Road
Great Neck, NY 11023
516-829-6629February 12, 2017 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #1215820
I found the source. You can all stop searching for me. Thanks so much for your efforts!
Thanks LB! It’s from Rav Chaim Kanievsky, Shlita. He says that women are not obligated to be careful about any of the things that cause forgetting.February 12, 2017 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #1215821mik5Participant
The Gemara in Horayos 13 has a long list of things that are good and bad for memory (see Artscroll footnote in particular).
But – To eat olives or to cut your fingernails in order is a lot less of a sin than to sit idly and “kill time” when one has the ability and the opportunity to engage in the most glorious form of avodas Hashem and kiddush Hashem known to man, which is learning the Torah, whereby (in the opinion of the Gaon of Vilna) one fulfills a separate mitzvas asei d’oraysa with every word that one utters in the course of his study.February 12, 2017 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #1215822Little FroggieParticipant
I forgot that Gemarah….February 12, 2017 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #1215823
LU +Infinity 🙂
Excellence – Yay thanks for sharing your research findings LU!!February 12, 2017 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #1215824
The source I brought above (??? ????, ??? ?????, ??? ? by R’Chaim Kanievsky) lists all the things that are “kashe l’shikcha”.
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