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    Avi K
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    Why do some people say “Shalosh Seudos”? They are not eating three meals at once. “Third Meal” is “Seuda Shelisheet/s/th (for Teimanim).

    #1088020
    WolfishMusings
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    “Third Meal” is “Seuda Shelisheet/s/th (for Teimanim).

    That’s what I call it. In fact, when I send out the email for our shul’s z’manim, I use “Seuda Sh’lishis.” I don’t use “Shalosh Se’udos” or (Heaven help us) “Shala Shudis.”

    The Wolf

    #1088021
    mir talmid
    Member

    Because it is a time of ???? ?????? and its a ????? of ???? ????? so its ???? all the ?????? of ??? it isn’t merely the third ????? its brings all 3 ?????? together

    #1088022
    golfer
    Participant

    Mir Talmid is correct. Shalosh Seudos is eaten at a special time- hence many sing zemiros/ say Divrei Torah at length during this seuda.

    I have been told that, as he said, it brings all 3 seudos together. By eating this meal, we get s’char for eating all 3 Shabbos seudos.

    At the first two seudos we may arguably have been eating to satisfy our hunger and our desire for the delicious food. By the time we get to Shalosh Seudos, we’re not hungry and probably don’t feel like we want to wash and eat another piece of Challa. But we do anyway, in honor of Shabbos! And by doing so we prove that we were eating the first two meals also L’Chovod Shabbos.

    Yes, Wolf, may Heaven help us all to merit the enjoyment of “Shalashudis”!

    😉

    #1088023
    golfer
    Participant

    ***

    Extra credit, of course, to those who manage to wash and bentsh again for Melaveh Malka after Havdalah.

    #1088024
    147
    Participant

    Only 2 times off the hook for Seudo Shelishis are Yom Kippur & Erev Pesach.

    #1088025
    Goldilocks
    Participant

    “Why do some people say “Shalosh Seudos”? They are not eating three meals at once. “Third Meal” is “Seuda Shelisheet/s/th (for Teimanim). “

    Same reason why people say “gonna” and “wanna” instead of “going to” and “want to”….people are lazy!

    Can’t explain further…I gotta run ta the store cause I wanna buy food for Shala shudis….

    #1088026
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    147, on erev Pesach there is a still a chiyuv of Shalosh Seudos, we just have the 3rd meal earlier in the day before the zman of eating chametz. Many shuls will daven k’vasikin on that day in order to facilitate this

    #1088027
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    147, on erev Pesach there is a still a chiyuv of Shalosh Seudos, we just have the 3rd meal earlier in the day before the zman of eating chametz. Many shuls will daven k’vasikin on that day in order to facilitate this

    WADR, I do not believe this to be correct.

    When Erev Pesach comes out on Shabbos, many shuls WILL daven extra earlier — but the reason is so that we can eat the *second* meal before the end of the chometz eating period.

    Some people have the custom to wash/bentch twice at that meal so as to have a third meal with bread on Shabbos. However, that doesn’t *really* count, since you can’t begin the third Shabbos meal that early (and have it count as the “official” third Shabbos meal).

    The Wolf

    #1088029
    tzviki16
    Member

    howcome in yeshivos they sing askinu sudasa by the third meal and not by the other two? The Arizal made an askinu sudasa by all the meals. Also since when are the yeshivos into kabala?

    #1088030
    Avi K
    Participant

    YUModerator, some Ashkenazim use matza ashira as it is “hamotzi” but does not fulfill the mitzva of matza and thus is not prohibited (Shulchan Aruch 471:2). An Ashkenazi should ask a rav if this is considered a great need (Rama OC 462:4) as ideally one should eat Seuda Shelisheet during the time of Mincha. However, l’chatchila Seuda Shelisheet should be eaten before nine hours on any erev Yom Tov.

    #1088032
    takahmamash
    Participant

    Extra credit, of course, to those who manage to wash and bentsh again for Melaveh Malka after Havdalah.

    Double extra credit to those who make kiddush at seudat shlisheet.

    #1088033
    akuperma
    Participant

    In many language, adjectives can and sometimes usually preceed the noun they refer to. “Third” is the adjective. What is pronounced as “Shalosh Seudos” is Yiddish, even though the words are of Hebrew derivation. While this sounds weird to a Hebrew speaker who anticipates Semitic syntax (with the noun prceeding the adjective), it sounds quite reasonable to native speakers of Yiddish and English. (whose adjectives come first).

    This is an interesting linguistic topic with no deep halachic or phiosophical meaning.

    #1088034
    147
    Participant

    When I said of the hook for Seudo Shelishis, I meant off the hook for having to make Motzie & recite Birkas Hamozon thrice in 1 Shabbos, only on Yom Kippur & Erev Pesach.

    On Shabbos Erev Pesach, one should eat a respectable meal after Mincho Gedolo preferably before last 1/4 of day, and have in mind Seudo Shelishis, despite consuming Shehakol such as fish & chicken etc; Of-course Seudo Shelsihis Zemiros can still be sung even without a formal haMotzie on Shabbos Erev Pesach.

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