April 6, 2014 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #612521Git MeshigeParticipant
If you have a neighbor that you do not like and you would like them to move, there is an anicent Segulah that has been proven to be effective. On Leil Pesach, at the time of Shefoch Chamoscha, one takes a little wine from the Kos Shel Eliyahu and pours it at the door step of that neighbor. Within one year he is guranteed to move away.
I am doing it on 2 of my neighbors this year and will let you know the results……April 6, 2014 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #1054749ChortkovParticipant
Two of my friends tried this on separate occasions – both of them poured out Kos Shel Eliyahu Hanovi on their neighbours doorstep, and both sets of neighbours moved out within a year.
Tried and proven.April 6, 2014 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #1054750TheGoqParticipant
Just wait till you see all the drops of wine on your doorstep!April 6, 2014 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #1054751
What if both meet each other outside midway, would you build a Beis Hamikdash there?April 6, 2014 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #1054752midwesternerParticipant
There was a place in Yerushalayim of old. Two brothers lived on opposite sides of a shared field. One had a family with large responsibilities, the other was an old bachelor. Came the harvest, the bachelor says, “My brother has a family to take of him in his old age, he doesn’t need so much. I’m gonna sneak out in the middle of the night and take some of his share.” The other one said, “My brother is a single guy with small expenses. He doesn’t need so much. I’m gonna sneak out in the middle of the night and take some of his share.” So they met each other in the middle of the night, each figured out what the other was doing, and a fight broke out which ended with them killing each other.
And on that spot the Knesset was built.April 6, 2014 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1054753🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
lolApril 6, 2014 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #1054755left to writeMember
Seder night is supposed to be a re-enactment of the 1st seder in mitzrayim. You are not supposed to leave your homes all night (Shemos 12:22). As for moving out of the neighborhood, we conclude the Seder with :”L’shana Haba b’yerushalayim”. It’s US who should (look forward to) move out of the neighborhood.April 6, 2014 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #1054756☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Aleichem Shalom to you, midwesterner. 🙂April 6, 2014 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #1054757
Can I ask the ibn Ezra’s Kasha?
BTW, does this Segula work if you do it on your own doorstep or do I have to hire someone?April 6, 2014 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #1054758jewishnessParticipant
source needed for minhagApril 6, 2014 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1054759MurphysLawMember
Tried and failed countless times.
Rumor has it that it works best when the current occupier is already looking to relocate.April 6, 2014 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #1054760Bookworm120Participant
Aw, I’d always assumed it was the neighborhood toughs wandering through my street, so drunk that they couldn’t hold their wine bottles upright. My neighbors must really hate me! o.OApril 7, 2014 1:11 am at 1:11 am #1054761
Sounds like an Issur D’oraisa of Bal Tashchis to me. (Okay, maybe D’rbanannan to several Rishonim.)
Also, I have never looked into it, but someone reliable once told me that the brothers story is actually an Arab folktake that was adapted into Jewish sources in the 1700s.April 7, 2014 1:50 am at 1:50 am #1054762midwesternerParticipant
If it is Arab folklore, then my version is probably more accurate. You know, Yado Bakol, v’yad kol bo!
I have heard b’shem Rav Chaim Kanievsky that the other version is not found in Chazal anywhere that he knows of.April 7, 2014 2:13 am at 2:13 am #1054763☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I’ve heard the same. I thought it originated as a Sholem Aleichem story.April 7, 2014 2:19 am at 2:19 am #1054764👑RebYidd23Participant
They will also move out if you spray-paint their front door.April 7, 2014 6:24 am at 6:24 am #1054765
Yes. I know of someone who did research years ago to find this ‘Medrash’ and came up with nothing. Somewhere on some site somebody mentioned that his Rebbi asked Reb Chaim Kanievsky about it and he answered, ?????? ??? ???? ????. OnTheMainLine wrote out the whole story and concluded with, this is a Palastinian Medrash. The earliest mention of this story is someone who heard it from an Arab. Although, it is not the greatest Kasha, but in Chazal we find that the Makom Hamikdash was chosen from creation.
I came to realize that many Shlomo Hamelech stories in my Otzar Midrashim that sounded queer probably share the same source.April 7, 2014 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #1054766
HaLeiVi: I never looked up any Shlomo HaMelech stories, but I do know for a fact that several of the “Midrashim” I heard quoted as a kid came straight out of my Arabian Nights book (I read the children’s version; apparently the original isn’t so appropriate).April 7, 2014 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #1054767mazal77Participant
I have heard of this seguloh as well, although in this case the wine poured for the 10 makos is used, not the Kos Shel Eliyahu.April 7, 2014 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #1054768shepherdParticipant
this like most other “segulas” is probably the issur deoraysa of darchei emori!!! (shlissel challa and mazinka tanz are two popular ones….)April 7, 2014 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1054769DaMosheParticipant
A friend of mine from Darchei Torah wrote to R’ Chaim and asked him about the story with the Beis Hamikdash. He got an envelope back. On the envelope it was written, “Shamati shezeh min hagoyim” (or something very similar to that. I clearly remember the words “min hagoyim”.)April 7, 2014 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #1054770👑RebYidd23Participant
Well, it does work.April 8, 2014 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1054771no longer need seminaryMember
my friend did it. it workedApril 8, 2014 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #1054772
Also, correlation does not equal causation.April 8, 2014 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #1054773Git MeshigeParticipant
If someone is in close proximity to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, they should do it.April 8, 2014 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #1054774bais yeshaya bochurParticipant
I once heard if you light your neighbors house on fire and it burns down he will move out within a few hours. But I don’t think it needs to be pesach nightJanuary 25, 2015 6:36 am at 6:36 am #1054776☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
Git Meshige: I am doing it on 2 of my neighbors this year and will let you know the results……
Has it worked yet?January 25, 2015 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #1054777nisht gedaiget yiddenMember
My teacher told me a story where after she spilled the wine out of her becher for the makos she gave that wine-that was in the plate- to her upstairs neighbor. That night the neighbor died. Now I’m not saying that the neighbor died because of the wine, but you never know. I heard that that wine has negative, spiritual impurities.
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