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December 25, 2022 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #2151394GadolhadorahParticipant
Aside from the challenge of accommodating his right wing coalition partners’ views on settlements and Palestinian statehood aspirations w/o triggering a break with U.S. and European governments, Netanyahu confronts an even greater challenge on domestic “culture war” issues. Today, he blasted Orit Struck and Simcha Rotman from the religious Zionist parties for their comments endorsing legal discrimination against LGBT Israelis. Netanyahu characterized those comments as “unacceptable to me and to members of Likud,” and reiterated that the coalition agreement “does not allow discrimination against LGBTQ or harming their right to receive services like all other Israeli citizens.”
Given the simple math of a coalition that cannot afford to lose more than 4 or 5 MKs, his political balancing skills will be tested like never before.December 26, 2022 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #2151498Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantthis challenge of balancing of extra 5 haverei Knesset … maybe we should go back to a coalition of 61 with 2 heads and 10 differing views
December 26, 2022 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #2151457akupermaParticipantMost of the opposition consists of drop-outs from Likud, and if the religious parties get to demanding, Likud has alternatives. The reverse isn’t true. If Likud says no to the “religious parties” they have no one to turn to since the opposition parties are all anti-religious. While the secular nationalists (other than Lieberman) have minimal problems with giving money to religious groups, or special gifts that don’t hurt their secular constituents, asking for the political leadership to persecute some of their secular constituency is probably to much. Remember that at this time the major opposition parties are not so much opposed to Likud, but are in oppositions out of personal dislike of Netanyahu, and Bibi is old and probably not likely to be around much longer, and the next Likud prime minister will be able and willing to re-assimilate the center-right opposition, and won’t need overdemanding religious junior partners.
December 27, 2022 9:46 am at 9:46 am #2151626GadolhadorahParticipantAkuperma: Very astute analysis, especially with respect to the absence of any coherent unifying belief among the opposition parties other than their hatred of Bibi.
December 27, 2022 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #2151917ujmParticipantakuperma: The reverse side of your point is that the Chareidi religious parties can enter a coalition with the Left, and leave Likud out in the cold.
December 27, 2022 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #2151942GadolhadorahParticipantGiven that the primary driver for UTJ/Shas (versus Religious Zionists) is funding for their mosdos, a parochial deal predicated on a large enough NIS guarantee is certain possible, albeit unlikely in the very near term. Per my OP, Netanyahu will have a tough time keeping all his promises to coalition partners, some of which appear on their face to be mutually exclusive. He has also created the most bizarre organization chart for new ministries by slicing and dicing existing ministries and patching them back together in an incoherent manner to satisfy demands for particular positions among his new partners
December 28, 2022 8:25 am at 8:25 am #2152026akupermaParticipantujm: A generation (or two) ago, it was possible for the Chareidim to ally with the left-wing parties but that’s no long possible since:
1. The Israeli left is now dominated by parties for whom opposition to frumkeit is a defining feature (whereas the Labor party of Ben Gurion et al. was willing to tolerate Chareidim, albeit in the belief they would disappear over time). Indeed, most of the left now sees the Chareidim as the greatest threat to the Medinah.
2. While the Chareidi community is anything but democratic (small “d”), and is basically on oligarchy dominated the rabbanim (who tend to be left wing on economic issues, e.g., supporting welfare for the poor), the masses of the Chareidi community have been steadily become less inclined to follow what the rabbanim tell them in matters of politics, and the Chareidi “street” is increasingly anti-Arab. In an oversimplified way, the Chareidi rabbinim are “doves” but many if not most of Chareidi baal ha-battim are “hawks”.December 28, 2022 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm #2152105ujmParticipantAdditionally, despite any misgivings, the Israeli Left would be more than glad to give the Chareidim the same things the Chareidim would otherwise get with a Likud coalition, in return for putting the Left into power after so many years of being in the opposition.
December 28, 2022 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm #2152098ujmParticipantakuperma: I think you’re overstating things. The Israeli Left, I don’t think, is more anti-religious per se, than the Israeli right. And the Israeli Chareidi public, despite whatever personal opinions they might Harbor regarding Arabs or the general political scene, at the end of the day they still take their cues from their Rabbonim and vote accordingly, as instructed.
December 28, 2022 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #2152206mentsch1ParticipantUjm
If that was true wouldn’t we see UTJ/Shas having a proportional increase in seats?
Chareidim are a growing sector
Yet shas has lost seats compared to 10 yrs ago
And UTJ is stagnant
Clearly either my math is off or many younger chareidim are voting elsewhereDecember 28, 2022 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #2152214Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIsraeli right includes a lot of “masorti” that includes Sephardim who even if not fully observant are pro-datiim. Others might be economic and politically right-wing and, and the same time, “not religious”. Left includes commies and former commies that are built on ANTI-religious ideology. ANTI is different from “NOT” and “PRO”
December 29, 2022 11:11 am at 11:11 am #2152307GadolhadorahParticipantIn what was clearly meant as a signal to the religious/right, Netanyahu loyalist Amir Ohana was selected by Bibi to become the Knesset speaker. He is the FIRST openly LGBTQ MK to hold that role through which he will exercise considerable control over how/when legislation proceeds through the Knesset. In what was clearly mean as a message to several of the Coalition “social conservatives” his acceptance speech included explicit commentary about protecting LGBTQ rights, with a salute to his “husband” who was seated in the balcony above. I suspect the initial efforts to throw some red meat to the right will be to increase funding for settlements in Yehuda/Shomron and to UTJ/Shas mosdos. More controversial issues related to “Jewish identity”, explicit draft exemption for kollel yungerleit, and authority of the Rabannut over civil matters will be kicked down the road.
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