November 17, 2010 4:38 am at 4:38 am #710155mddMember
I would like to protest the flagrant bizayon HaTorah by RSHR.November 17, 2010 4:48 am at 4:48 am #710156
I agree the comments he/she made were unfairly harsh. This is not about looking down on others and putting others down. Its about taking a good but tarnished thing and restoring it to its former glory.November 17, 2010 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #710157squeakParticipant
So noted. The poster has the unfortunate tendency to take harsh language used by historic figures and misappropriate them- applying the quotes to other situations with his own broad brush. He represents only himself in his views.November 17, 2010 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #710158
mdd, I assume you refer to my first comment quoting from Justice Holmes, not to my second comment about setting VERY high standards for kollel members that seek public support.
In truth, I regretted the post as soon as I had clicked “send.” it was not meant to be derogatory nor was it directed at the three generations of kollel learners we are discussing. It was a poor attempt at humor (I have a strange academic sense of humor, I cant help it), and it was the first thing that popped into my head when I originally saw the title of the topic (the original title was ‘Three generations,” the “kollel yungerleit . . .” was added later) before I had read what it was about.
Again, I do apologize for the unintended insult.
As a side note. mdd, if my comment had been intended as derogatory, please distinguish derision of people who happen to learn torah and of the Torah itself. I think you would have to admit that there is a difference between saying (and I don’t mean this, its just an example), “kollelnicks are lazy no good leaches” and saying “the laws of the Torah are complete lunacy and to follow them is the ultimate mindless enslavement of one’s self.” Both statements are wrong and reprehensible. One is mivazeh the torah, while the other is mibazeh individuals that happen to learn torah. there is a valuable and meaningful difference.November 17, 2010 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #710159so rightMember
Being mevazeh talmidei chachomim (i.e. kollel yungerleit) is apikorsus.November 17, 2010 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #710160
Theres an edit button for a reason. Just saying.November 17, 2010 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #710161
WIY, I can edit my posts after I post them? How do I do that? Where is this edit button?November 17, 2010 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #710162
Right after you post you will see under what you posted
POSTED 20 SECONDS AGO # EDIT. Click the EDIT and guess what? You can edit your comment!November 17, 2010 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #710163
Oh. Now I see. Thanks WIY.November 17, 2010 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #710164
You are welcome!November 17, 2010 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #710166oomisParticipant
“However, from an economic point of view,it is beneficial for some Yungeleit who are advancing in age, with growing families, Ke”h, to start seeking part-time employment with the emphasis still being on Learning in the BHM”D.”
Given the uncertainties of these economically hard times, what makes you think any of those long-term kollel guys will be able to easily find and sustain a job of ANY kind, much less one that will support their families? They are prepared for NOTHING, they are uneducated, and even ditch-diggers and construction workers are out of work these days (no offense to either of those occupations; they do a necessary and honest day’s work). So why would anyone think they can one day decide to get a job and it will magically fall down from the sky at their feet? People who are educated in professions are having trouble finding work, kal v’chomer one who hasn’t worked a day in his adult life would probably not fare much better.November 18, 2010 12:17 am at 12:17 am #710167aries2756Participant
oops. What happened to my post?
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