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Today’s Generation’s Definitions:
Hashgacha Pratis: A story in which everything worked out well for me!
Dan Lekaf Zechus: A story in which someone made up something ridiculous to be Dan someone else Lekaf Zechus and then turned out to be right in the end!
Kiddush HashemA story in which a group of otherwise rowdy boys behaved on a class trip in front of goyim and then the goyim gave the Rebbi a compliment!
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What’s wrong with the Kiddush Hashem one that happens to still be an accurate definition of making a Kiddush Hashem even if they didn’t intend to make a Kiddush Hashem and just happened to behave that day?
totally. especially the Kiddush Hashem one. I work in a boy’s school and I see chillul Hashem on a daily basis. Then the kids go on a trip and some random goy (who was FOR SURE paid off) says how impressed he was by the kids behavior.
And I stand there scratching my head.
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If the kids act properly in public that makes a Kiddush Hashem regardless of all the chillul Hashems they did in the past. The same person can make a chillul Hashem and Kiddush Hashem one second apart. Now as for the paid off comment you must be joking. You must be.
Hashgacha Pratis: one need to include the implication that whatever worked out wasn’t due to your efforts
Dan Lekaf Zechus: That’s not a definition, but an example
Kiddush Hashem: 1) again, that’s an example, not a definition; 2) do you have empirical evidence but the existence of non-rowdy boys (well, perhaps if there is something wrong with them, Ha-Shem designed boys to be rowdy)
“The true definition of Kiddush Hashem is to be Mekadesh Shem Shamayim – the purist manifestation would be to die Al Kiddush Hashem.”
I’m not so sure about that, my friend. Dying al kiddush Hashem is very great indeed, but what about LIVING al kiddush Hashem??! I believe that this is an even higher form of the mitzvah.
“I believe the question is insane. Helping a Jew be Mechallel Shabbos has somehow been packaged in our warped, Americanized minds as being a Kiddush Hashem?!”
that’s because everyone is so busy trying to show how open minded and non- judgemental frum Jews are that they forget that there are standards.
i’ll quote what my student said today, “guys, listen, such hashgacha pratis, my nail polish, hair band and socks are all matching!”
LAB: I believe the Tzitz Eliezer has a T’shuvah where he discusses that case and one of his potential reasons is that there might be a Chillul Hashem involved if you don’t give him directions. He might have rejected that, though. I don’t quite remember the whole T’shuvah.
LAB: The halacha is that you are supposed to make him be mechallel shabbos as little as possible. If you know the way you’re supposed to give him the absolute shortest directions. If you know the way and you don’t tell him, you are forcing him to be mechallel shabbos for longer because he will keep asking people until he finds the way. Obviously if you don’t know, say you don’t but don’t stop to chat with the justification that you don’t want him to think you’re rude. Say ‘no idea’ and go on your way without apologies.
LAB: You don’t at all hear a S’vara that being courteous to him may help him become religious in the future? Also, he’s doing the same Chillul Shabbos no matter what. I’m not helping him by giving directions. I believe the Tzitz Eliezer mentions interjections point that if you know the shortest way you should tell him so as to be M’ma’eit his Chillul Shabbos because now he’ll drive less.
Oh, and I think your definition of Dan L’chaf Z’chus is a Gemara in Shabbos (117bish).
LAB: My husband comes home with his halacha of the day trivia. He brought up this exact situation last week. I can get you the source. But, practically speaking, if the guy is driving and he doesn’t know how to get there and he doesn’t know the value of Shabbos, he will keep asking people for directions until he reaches his destination. For him it’s not an option to walk so the sooner he gets the directions, the sooner he stops driving.
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