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Our parrot karrot katan is too lazy to look up an avnei nezer inside even when he is supplied with the exact mareh makom
I do not have the option of quoting hebrew text in this thread
the sefer avnei nezer should be in every self respecting bet hamidrash
mr katan should note the mareh makom and look it up
and acquire the midah of modeh al ha’emet
same with his compatriots ujm and somejew
all three are clear distorters of hazal poskim and rabanim.
.anon1m0us:
A title of Rosh Yeshiva is not very impressive if it applied to an idolatrous heretical Zionist “yeshiva”. Regardless, he is either an idolater or…misguided, shall we say?Nobody of note? Rabbi Chaim Vital says explicitly in shaar hakdamos that the oaths only applied for 1,000 years. He is of note I would think?
SQUARE_ROOT:
No, he did not use facts and logic. He made excuses for not quoting the actual text and then proceeded to accuse others of that which he and you and other Zionists are doing.IzoBar:
Rav Chaim Vital is certainly of note, but he was not referring to these oaths. Again, please quote that actual text that you claim applies to the oaths.The Zionists crank out lots of propaganda distortions against the oaths, all for naught, of course.
עוד במ’ הנ”ל ובג”ד השבעתי אתכם בנות ירושל’ וכו’ פירוש הדברים כי הנה היתה השבועה הגדולה לאלהי”ם שלא יעוררו את הגאולה עד שאותה האהבה תהיה בחפץ ורצון טוב כמ”ש עד שתחפץ כבן העובד את אביו ועייל בכל פלטרין דיליה ובכל גניזין דיליה ולא כעבד העובד במשנה ולוקח השפחה ע”מ לקבל פרס וכבר אמרו רז”ל כי זמן השבועה היא עד אלף שנים
He was of course referring to these shavuos.
If you don’t agree, please explain what he was referring to?
that’s a false source. go ahead and reference and provide the quote you claim.
Nu ?
Somejew and katan and ujmDid you learn avnei nezer YD 454:50 yet ?
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.@IzoBar: HaKatan doesn’t actually have a response about which other oaths are being referred to, if not the three in question.
It seems that square_root was quoting R Chaim Vital ztl as brought in my quote. Not a false source.
@izobar
Please bring the original quote you claimWhere is somejew and katan [and ujm] ?
Did you learn avnei nezer YD 454:50 yet ?
.The title Rebbe also means very little. Especially when you get your Kehilla sent to Auchwitz.
Oh, no, Chaim Vital is haggada, not to be taken seriously
/sYB:
When you quote the text here, then we can discuss it. Until then, you can claim whatever you want, of course.ZSK:
The Satmar Rav and others answer that. You can even Google it. But that’s besides the point. It does not refer to the Three Taths.Izobar:
Yes, the Rav Chaim Vital source is indeed false because he is not referring to the Three Oaths.Re: Rav Chaim Vital:
As mentioned, that does not refer to the Three Oaths.See True Torah Jews on their site:
The error here is that Rabbi Chaim Vital was not referring to the Jewish people’s oath not to end the exile with their own actions. He was referring to Hashem’s oath and Hashem’s decree of exile itself. Rabbi Chaim Vital was not the first to speak of this thousand-year limit to exile; it was written hundreds of years earlier in the Zohar Bereishis 117a that the decree of exile was “one day and no more”, as Scripture states, “All the day lonely” (Eichah 1:13). As we know, G-d’s one day is a thousand years (Tehillim 90:4). Rabbi Chaim Vital mentions this Zohar.The Zohar Shemos 17a repeats this same prediction of 1000 years, and then adds, “And if it will be more [than 1000 years] that will not be due to a decree of the King, but because they do not want to repent to Him.” So we see that within 1000 years of the destruction of the Temple, even repentance would not have brought the redemption.
…I have to disagree with your reading of these words. Its clearly states השבעתי אתכם בנות ירושל’ וכו the posuk referred to in kesubos with regards to the 3 shavuos and continue
פירוש הדברים כי הנה היתה השבועה הגדולה לאלהי”ם שלא יעוררו את הגאולה
Note its a shavua to Elokim and not by Elokim. The rest continues in the same vein.
You will disagree because you cannot accept there may be a different opinion to yours however for those who hold that the 3 oaths have expired, this quote from Rav Chaim Vital ztl is a clear proof and they have on whom to rely. To claim otherwise is simply disingenuous.
@somejewiknow my quote is set out in full above.can you please actually quote the piece? all i see are a couple words dispersed in your explanation. what is the actual text? what is the specific source to look up? have you ever read it?
Maybe we can split the difference by doing community hataras nedorim?
It is pretty simple: when we did 3 shevuos – did we envision a country millions people and animals living in EY with their own elected government, with so many people learning Torah and davening? Probably not, so that suffices for hataras nedorim.
To the group
I do not know how to post from sifrei kodesh
katan claims that he cannot look up the avnei nezer himself
he wants it quoted here
can someone copy avnei nezer from YD 454:48 and onwards ,please make sure to include 454:50 ?
then all will be able to see for themselves whether the issue of the oaths is merely a sign , or the avera itself …..
thanks
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.The source is shaar hakdamos:
עוד במ’ הנ”ל ובג”ד השבעתי אתכם בנות ירושל’ וכו’ פירוש הדברים כי הנה היתה השבועה הגדולה לאלהי”ם שלא יעוררו את הגאולה עד שאותה האהבה תהיה בחפץ ורצון טוב כמ”ש עד שתחפץ כבן העובד את אביו ועייל בכל פלטרין דיליה ובכל גניזין דיליה ולא כעבד העובד במשנה ולוקח השפחה ע”מ לקבל פרס וכבר אמרו רז”ל כי זמן השבועה היא עד אלף שנים
This was the subject of the discussion above.
Always_Ask_Questions:
By that logic, when G-d said not to worship idols, but masses of Europeans intermarried/converted before the war (like Herzl SR”Y), G-d also must have meant that only when Jews weren’t worshiping idols. But once so many were, then it must be all cool. Didn’t seem to work out that way, considering He allowed the Nazis (with the Zionists assisting) to wipe out most of European Jewry.Katan, I am specifically addressing the shevua, citing halachik mechanism on how to do hatara.
I am not sure what is your beef with Hertzl, who grew up in non-religious neolog family in the culture of assimilation, that he eventually rejected, he was married to a Jew and did not convert. Would you do better than that were you born there?
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