June 28, 2022 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #2101056Yabia OmerParticipant
If you could go back to any time and place in Jewish history, where/when would you go?June 28, 2022 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #2101113ujmParticipant
Har SinaiJune 28, 2022 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #2101136
Simchas beis hashoeivahJune 28, 2022 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #2101138Avram in MDParticipant
I like ujm’s answer, but given that we were all at Har Sinai, my answer would be in the days of Bayis Rishon during the rule of a righteous king.June 28, 2022 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #2101166GadolhadorahParticipant
Avram: You miss the point. At todays precious metal prices, Reb Josef could have made a fortune on recycling the egel ha’zahov. He is always thinking ahead.June 28, 2022 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #2101187AviraDeArahParticipant
We’re accomplishing our tafkid in our time; our generation has its purpose, challengea, and special set of goals.
If i were alive in previous generations, I’d fall prey to the yatzer hora, like rav ashi learned from menasheh.June 28, 2022 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #2101188
the question is asked on the right day:
I would go to Sarajevo, June 28th 1914. Would park my horse on Archduke’s path to the assassination, possibly preventing terrible WWs. Nobody would say thank you, but that’s ok.June 28, 2022 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #2101203
I don’t think a time machine would help you change timeJune 28, 2022 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #2101221
ok, then, I’ll go to the time when I was younger and review all the learning that I already forgot. This is what we will be tested for, not what other generations did.June 28, 2022 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #2101220Little FroggieParticipant
I would go back to the point I became cognizant of my surroundings… and redo everything I goofed!!!June 28, 2022 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #2101240
Like joining the coffee room? 😉😜June 28, 2022 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #2101258n0mesorahParticipant
I want to check out all the missing years in history.June 29, 2022 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #2101530Yabia OmerParticipant
I would probably go to the time when the Mishnah and Beis Hamikdash overlapped. Like Hillel and Shammai.June 29, 2022 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #2101533
I would go to Sarajevo, June 28th 1914. Would park my horse on Archduke’s path to the assassination, possibly preventing terrible WWs. Nobody would say thank you, but that’s ok.
Doing so would probably erase a majority of frum Jews who are alive today from existence.
Survivors of the Holocaust who moved to Israel and America would probably still be Europe today had the Holocaust not happened. As such, many of the marriages that took place in the post-Holocaust years would not have happened (as these spouses would have never met in the DP camps, America, Israel or wherever else they moved to). Their descendants — their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, would not exist today. They would be replaced with an entirely different population.
Oddly enough, I would probably still be here, as all of my great-grandparents were already in New York City by 1915. However, my wife wouldn’t be here, nor would our children.
I’m not saying, God forbid, that the Holocaust was a good thing. Of course not. But I’m not convinced that undoing it at the expense of millions of lives that currently exist is a moral and proper thing to do either.
The WolfJune 29, 2022 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #2101551
WWI contributed to WWII, Germany and Hungary wanting to get back the territory lost and reparations to pay. They attributed it to the Communists and Jews. See Treaty of Versailles and Treaty of Trianon.June 29, 2022 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #2101558
WWI contributed to WWII, Germany and Hungary wanting to get back the territory lost and reparations to pay. They attributed it to the Communists and Jews. See Treaty of Versailles and Treaty of Trianon.
Yes, it did. That was my main point. If you stop WWI from happening (and to be honest, I’m not sure that saving the Archduke really prevents WWI) then WWII probably doesn’t happen (or, at least, almost certainly not in the same way) and most of the Jews alive today never end up existing.
The WolfJune 29, 2022 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #2101588hujuParticipant
I would go back to the time we controlled all the money, and take my share,plus 50%.June 29, 2022 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #2101601
What are you saying, isn’t the opposite true, most of the Jews not alive today would have ended up existing?June 29, 2022 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #2101670
Wolf has a good point. We lost neshamot, and we later gained neshamot… Maybe current neshamos are some substitutions for the ones that were lost? Maybe the originals were better? Not sure how much qabalah is allowed in CR.
Also, if you are concerned that your father is from Vilno and mother from Budapest – who says that your father would not have travelled to Budapest during peaceful 20th century and met your mother anyway? bashert is bashert …June 29, 2022 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #2101680
AAQ, your logic by me does not follow because my father married after liberation the sister of his first wife whom he lost in Aushwitz with two children, so he was only able to marry her because of his loss. The basherte came later. Are you saying that they had to die anyway to be able to marry her?June 30, 2022 8:44 am at 8:44 am #2101755tunaisafishParticipant
before inflationJune 30, 2022 10:44 am at 10:44 am #2101857
What are you saying, isn’t the opposite true, most of the Jews not alive today would have ended up existing?
That’s absolutely true. But I’m not convinced that it’s morally and ethically good to sacrifice the millions of people that currently exist for the millions of people that could have existed.
Were that the case, you could never make a marital decision in your life. Sure, marrying my wife helped my kids come into existence, but it also precluded the large number of alternate possible other children that might have existed had I married any one of the thousands* of other available women. But we have to make choices in the here and now and cannot be concerned about the unknowable possibility of lives that might come into existence if we took a different action.
* Not that there were thousands of women who would have wanted me, but you get the point.June 30, 2022 10:44 am at 10:44 am #2101858
Maybe current neshamos are some substitutions for the ones that were lost? Maybe the originals were better?
We don’t make those decisions. We don’t decide whose blood is redder. And we don’t knowingly sacrifice existing lives for other potential life.
The WolfJune 30, 2022 11:20 am at 11:20 am #2101864
alternate possible other children
Ugh… I used four words when one would have been enough. I need to better edit myself. 🙂
The WolfJune 30, 2022 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #2102002AMputtingonHaRITZParticipant
My list would included celebrating Pesach with Yoshiyahu Hamelech… maybe stick around and find out where he hid the luchot and the keilim.June 30, 2022 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #2102060participnatParticipant
I want to be able to observe my father, and other older people I know, as a child.
FTM, I want to see a godol (any) when they were young and in the making.June 30, 2022 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #2102083
Yes to observing people when they were young… You can do this for free as you are getting older and you can compare people in the younger and older ages. Now you can look at youngsters and predict where they are going
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