Time to revisit the First Amendment
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October 27, 2018 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #1611560
We keep hearing the phrase “See Something, Say Something” with respect to alerting the police if you observe anything suspicious that might be a predictor of some violent or terrorist action. Yet, in multiple cases, we have seen cases where someone reports these crazies who post pictures of themselves on social media holding assault weapons, making vile threats against Blacks, Jews, other minorities, threatening local mosdos, etc. but the police shrug and say they cannot do anything because it is “protected speech” under the First Amendment. Is it time to consider some limited form of prior restraint on such speech and/or place the worst offenders in some form of preventive detention to protect public safety? Alternatively, would such expansion of governmental authority be invoked by a tyrannical government to suppress legitimate dissent?October 27, 2018 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #1611664
The modification needed on the First Amendment is the elimination of special perfection for the press. The media should be treated no differently or preferentially than any 18 year old blogger or social media poster.
And if the press publishes national security secrets leaked to them by a traitor in the government, the government employee who illegal leaked the secrets along with the reporter and all his editors should all be prosecuted and imprisoned together.
Now that’s a First Amendment (partial) repeal worth supporting. Now let’s start lobbying Congress for this Constitutional Amendment.October 27, 2018 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #1611661
The police can do a lot without violating that person’s rights.October 28, 2018 12:07 am at 12:07 am #1611679akupermaParticipant
Let’s ban the First amendment. Why should people with politically incorrect views be allowed a public forum. Why should the government tolerate those with backwards and obsolete views, such as capitalism or belief in a non-government supreme being?
If the get rid of the First amendment, it will be legal for hostile governments to ban Torah and Mitsvos. It places like New York, where quasi-socialists control the government, anything to the right of Karl Marx will earn you a trip to Rikers Island and Sing Sing. If you want to know what life without the First Amendment would be like, read about Berlin in the late 1930s or Moscow during most of the 20th century.October 28, 2018 12:53 am at 12:53 am #1611706☕️coffee addictParticipant
You can’t do that! The liberals want everyone’s free speech to be taken away from them except those that agree with their views!October 28, 2018 9:42 am at 9:42 am #1611818
Exceptions to free speech already exist. You can’t walk into a bank and say “Your money or your life” and then claim it’s free speech.October 28, 2018 10:01 am at 10:01 am #1611856
Khmer RougeOctober 28, 2018 10:01 am at 10:01 am #1611862
Why can’t they just repeal the 2nd amendment!??October 28, 2018 10:26 am at 10:26 am #1611879
Because then it would look like your childhood country.October 28, 2018 11:08 am at 11:08 am #1611895
Without repealing the 2nd Amendment, they could make membership in a militia a requirement for gun ownership.October 28, 2018 11:45 am at 11:45 am #1611907
Geordie: I’m all for repealing the 2nd Amendment.October 28, 2018 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #16119391Participant
Geordie, because unlike in England we want to be able to protect ourselves from Muslim invaders.October 28, 2018 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #1611954
Explain to us across the pond, Why on earth are guns so important for Americans?? It does not make sense to us.October 28, 2018 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #1611986
Because we dont want to turn into YeovilleOctober 28, 2018 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #1611987
Guns are important to politicians because of the NRA. They’re either accepting money to be pro-gun or fighting against the pro-gun types by being anti-gun. This has caused it to be a “conservative litmus test” in American politics.
To normal Americans who are pro-gun: usually their stance on guns is symbolic of general conservative views. An attack on gun rights is seen as being symbolic of overreaching government and rampant liberalism by them. Contrary to popular belief, hunting has almost nothing to do with it. The fraction of Americans who hunt is negligible, albeit more than in European countries of course.
Also, of course, it’s a big deal because of our Constitution. Most Americans have some degree of a sense that “once you start messing with the Constitution, nothing is safe.”October 28, 2018 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #1612047
It doesn’t matter that the number of Americans who hunt is small. If taking away rights of a small group of people were okay, religious freedom wouldn’t be considered important at all.October 28, 2018 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1612094
It sounds so petty. How many mass murders will it take to change this crazy mindset?October 28, 2018 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1612116
It requires proof that taking away the guns will actually help. There isn’t really evidence to support that.October 28, 2018 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1612117
Also, how many car accidents will it take until you allow hunting again?October 28, 2018 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1612119
So for those opposed to any prior restraint in terms of limiting social media posting threats of violence, events like yesterday are just the “price of free expression”? We’ve always used the simplistic analogy that you cannot yell “fire” in a crowded theatre but its OK to post a Tweet saying you think its OK to “kill jews” because they are responsible for all the world’s problems. Also, is there a need for the leader of the free world to be up at 3:30 AM engaging in vulgar tweet responses to every third-rate political hack or media personality who attacks him?October 28, 2018 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #1612129
Forget about second amendment for a moment. Should there be any First Amendment limits on social media postings ? It seems like in the current political climate, the assumption is that any such prior restraint would be an attempt to silence the “right” along with the “far-right” (aka white supremacists, Nazis, etc). . Private companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter have imposed their own “terms of service” which allows them to curtail hateful, threatening and racist postings although Twitter has said it won’t apply those rules to political leaders such as the Trumpkopf. They say its important for the world to see his raw vulgarity and demeaning rhetoric rather than censoring him. But for these other social media websites that attract the crazies (e.g. Gab.com) should the government be able to shut them down or block access for the kind of postings (“kill all the Jews”) that the gunman in Pittsburgh had been posting? Would that even work given that you can move website hosting offshore.October 28, 2018 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #1612140
There ought to be a law outlawing all social media services, from treifbook to gab.October 28, 2018 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1612147
There is no need to limit the First Amendment because those “limits” are already there. The First Amendment does not state “Freedom of speech is absolute and must not be interfered with by anyone”, and no serious legal body interprets it as such. If people say that the First Amendment is in the way, they are just making excuses.October 29, 2018 7:20 am at 7:20 am #1612213
How could people shoot if you’ve taken away their ability to buy a gun?October 29, 2018 8:39 am at 8:39 am #1612263
It is petty, Geordie. In America, certain things are partisan issues, meaning if people feel like its an issue representative of their party, they’ll argue it to the grave. No matter how much or little sense it makes.
Hunting is not a religion, nor would it matter if it were. There are small religions that claim spirituality of doing drugs, but that doesn’t make them exempt from the law. Also, notice how Jewish conservatives act like you’re a big koifer if you don’t vote with the halachah on other issues, but with hunting it’s suddenly all “we can’t enforce the halachah on others.” It’s all just partisanship.October 29, 2018 9:22 am at 9:22 am #1612282
Hunting is not a religion, but that’s not the point. Why should religion be protected when so few people are religious?October 29, 2018 9:35 am at 9:35 am #1612323
Because being allowed to daven doesn’t kill people.October 29, 2018 10:07 am at 10:07 am #1612367
People will always be able to obtain lethal weapons.October 29, 2018 10:56 am at 10:56 am #1612431akupermaParticipant
The First amendment does NOT impact on gun control. First amendment deals with the freedoms of religions and expression and the prohibition of having an official “state” church. The only connection is that originally gun control under the British was designed to disarm those whose political, social and religious views were politically unacceptable, and both amendments were designed to make it impossible for the state to surpress those who it disagrees with. It is interesting the the Second amendment comes rights after the first, as if the highlight the connection.October 29, 2018 10:56 am at 10:56 am #1612415
Religion does sometimes lead people to kill.October 29, 2018 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm #1612483
Doctors also sometimes lead people to kill.October 29, 2018 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1613251
Doctors are also dangerous, but the difference is that you probably respect your neighbor’s doctor as much as your own, whereas you believe that all religions other than your own are false. If doctors were like religion in that everyone believed that everyone else’s was invalid, there would be a lot of problems.October 29, 2018 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #1613285
It does not mean that you can’t respect someone else’s religion if yours is different. It is better if they have a religion respecting others than being an atheist where they have no one to be responsible to.October 29, 2018 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #1613297
What about religious atheists?October 29, 2018 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #1613279
RebYidd23 Thank G_d that we have protection for freedom of religion.
Some say freedom of religion but not freedom from religion being an atheist. The Pilgrims and Puritans were religious who escaped from England after their discrimination brought about this part of the First Amendment.October 29, 2018 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #1613333
Some atheists are religious.October 29, 2018 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1613345
RebYidd23, A religious atheist isn’t that an oxymoron?October 29, 2018 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #1613355
It should be an oxymoron, but since they are so devoted to their atheism, they treat it like a religion. I lived in a city of such people for a few years and, personalitywise, if they were into Yiddishkeit they would be the biggest machmirim (the unhealthy type of machmirim, that is)October 30, 2018 12:00 am at 12:00 am #1613393
No, some people are both atheist and Buddhist.October 30, 2018 8:03 am at 8:03 am #1613524It is Time for TruthParticipant
it doesn’t make sense and it shouldn’t.
Americans are too lost in talk shows.
Just as citizens or subjects other countries are lost in and influence by things that wouldn’t make sense to Americans and probably don’t make sense
Now rationally could try to explain it as Australian professor P Hogg on the difference between Canada vis a vis the US
Canada (At least prior to pot legalization ) ran according to what he calls Hoggs P.o.g
most important is peace ,order,and stable government while Americans have always relatively
been more concerned with legalisms Liberty and limits of freedom
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