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  • #603610

    gefen
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    Any advice on how help me? The clicking and the pain are driving me nuts. Tried hot compress, cold compress, motrin, tylenol with codeine, aspirin. Yom Tov was a nightmare – actually Shabbos was the worst then Yom Tov a tiny tiny drop better. But it’s starting to get worse again! HELP!

    #1089221

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    You need to see a dentist pronto to get fitted for a TMJ appliance. It’s a piece of molded plastic that you wear at night. If you need to you can wear it during the day too. You need to stabliize your jaw, though. Hatzlacha and refuah shleimah.

    #1089222

    oomis
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    Get thee to a Dentist, ASAP.

    #1089223

    gefen
    Participant

    Owwww! Still in pain! Woke up and couldn’t close my jaw. It also gives me horrible headaches and an earache.

    Doesn’t anyone have any advice, sympathy, or can even commiserate with me? sniff sniff 🙁

    #1089224

    Nechomah
    Participant

    Did you see your dentist? There are specialists who deal with this problem. I don’t know if teeth grinding has anything to do with this problem, but I know that my mother had a mouth guard at night to keep from grinding her teeth.

    In any event, refuah shleimah!

    #1089225

    MorahRach
    Member

    I suffered from tmj all of elementary school and high school!!! I was fitted for a tmj mouth piece bH today I am great. Every once in a while if I am exhausted and constantly yawning real big my jaw semi locks and it is painful but, nothing like it was. I used to stay home from school due to the pain. Please go to the dentist!!

    #1089226

    gefen
    Participant

    Thanks wanderingchana, oomis, and nechomah. I kind of figured I would hear the dreaded words “GO TO A DENTIST”. I guess that’s what I’ll have to do.

    BTW- my second post was written before the the 2 before that showed up, so that should explain my question there.

    Thanks for the good wishes.

    #1089227

    TheGoq
    Participant

    Gefen i would love to empathize with you but i have no clue what tmj is can u explain?

    #1089228

    elik
    Participant

    go to rabbi elya katz class on dr sarnos method in boro park its free and will change your life

    #1089229

    msseeker
    Member

    Ignore everyone. Read Dr. Sarno’s book, Mind Body Prescription. His method stopped my TMJ pain in a few days for good.

    #1089230

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    I don’t know anything about TMJ, so I can’t offer any advice, but refuah sheleimah! 🙁

    #1089231

    gefen
    Participant

    goq – tmj is a condition involving the jaw. many ppl have it. some worse than others. there are many causes – teeth grinding, stress, poor jaw alignment, etc. Basically you hear and feel a clicking when opening and/or closing your mouth. Can be quite painful. Sometimes it can prevent one from opening or closing their mouth because it kind of gets stuck in a certain position.

    elik – i can’t go to the class as i don’t live in ny. but thanks for the advice, and at least i can check on dr. sarno’s method as msseeker mentioned – i can buy the book.

    msseeker – thanks for the info. i will google the book and see if i can get it on line.

    #1089232

    MorahRach
    Member

    Is it necessary to tell the poster to ignore all of us who tried to give some advice? I personally dealt with TMJ for years. We are just trying to help. I am so sick of the attitudes on this site. Surely I am not the only one.

    #1089233

    Vanilla
    Member

    Hey Gefen, just wanted to let you know what worked for me. I also suffered a lot from tmj pain due to a an injury to my face. One dentist suggested I take melatonin so that I could go into deep sleep and rest the muscles, which helped a lot. Ultimately I went to a holistic chiropracter who helped tons.

    He suggested using a small copper bowl, (you can buy it on amazon) put in a candle at the center, let it melt a bit and light. The lit candle releases tension at the pressure points and works amazing.

    Good Luck with this!

    #1089234

    haifagirl
    Participant

    Not just any dentist, but one who specializes in TMJ. If you’re in Jerusalem, I can recommend one. If you’re in NY, Maimonides Hospital has (or had) a TMJ program there.

    #1089235

    msseeker
    Member

    Correction: Don’t ignore Elik. Follow his advice if you understand Yiddish, or get the book.

    #1089236

    Health
    Participant

    gefen – Got news for you e/o has TMJ, just mine doesn’t hurt.

    TMJ disorder or pain is treated with injection at the site with lidocaine (or a different caine) along with a steroid. Any practitioner can do this, not just a Dentist. Follow up is Not necessary in a lot of cases. If Bruxism is the cause, using Dental blocks, as mentioned above by some, is really outdated nowadays & isn’t recommended anymore.

    #1089237

    gefen
    Participant

    msseeker – googled it. found it. ordered it. can’t wait to try his method.

    #1089238

    TheGoq
    Participant

    Thank you for the explanation gefen i never heard of this hope the book helps feel better.

    #1089239

    gefen
    Participant

    MorahRach: I’ve heard about the mouth guards. If the method in the book that msseeker mentioned doesn’t work, then I will have no choice but to go to my dentist and see what he has to say. Thanks for telling me of your experience and I’m glad you’re better now.

    Vanilla: Thanks for your suggestion. I’m a bit confused, though, as to exactly what I’m supposed to do. What do I do with the lit candle? And where are the pressure points?

    Haifagirl: Thanks. But I’m in Chicago. There are doctors here who specialize in tmj. If it comes to that point (which it really has, I just don’t want to face it), I may have to find out where to go.

    Health: Do you know why the dental blocks are not recommended anymore?

    #1089240

    msseeker
    Member

    MorahRach, you’re right. Sorry, everyone.

    #1089241

    whatshaiches
    Member

    Ask your dentist if he has training in using Botox for this issue, it will help relax those muscles and will take care of your problem better than anything else out there,

    #1089242

    haifagirl
    Participant

    I’m from Chicago. Maybe I know you.

    #1089243

    MorahRach
    Member

    Thank you.

    Also! My doctor had reccomended this to me, I was in severe pain and I think 13 or 14 but acupuncture really helped my tmj. Before the mouth piece really started working. BH my fathers insurance covered it it can be pricey but it was amazing. I had not slept for weeks and I fell asleep in the car ride home from the first acupuncture.

    #1089244

    apushatayid
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    #1089245

    i am here
    Member

    Wow I actually have a dental appointment next week for this tmj stuffs i have been to one b-4 but he said its nothing now just don’t yawn big… but now a couple years later it got worse. I have terrible pain for a while now off and on. I would like to try Dr. sarnos method he gr8.

    #1089246

    gefen
    Participant

    Thanks everyone! I hope something will work.

    #1089247

    Hello Kitty
    Member

    I have been suffering from TMJ for years. I already went to many doctors.

    1- A very big specialist told me once: “TMJ cannot be cured it can only be helped.” Whatever works for you thats what you should do. I know that when I’m under any kind of stress I start feeling it on my jaw.

    2- He also told me that moitrin is the best because its special for muscles and takes away the stress. Tylenol wont help you for this problem. Some days I take moitrin every 4 hours and it helps.

    3- When you go to a dentist make sure that he is experienced and knows what hes doing. I went to a few dentists already and most of them just make you a guard and are NOT TMJ specialists. These night guards made my TMJ worse.

    G’luck and feel good, I know how bad it can feel.

    P.S. I have a TMJ headache now! Its not easy but I learned to live with it and how to handle it.

    #1089248

    gefen
    Participant

    Hello Kitty: Oish! Yeah – those headaches can be really bad, and when combined with the jaw pain and earache— HELP! Well Refuah Shelayma to you! I did try the motrin routine, but it didn’t help. I need something stronger – a real muscle relaxant. But first I’m waiting for my book to come – the one that msseeker recommended. I’m really hoping something in there will help me. If it does, I’ll IY”H tell you the secret.

    #1089249

    Hello Kitty
    Member

    If advil doesnt help then try Aleve its stronger.

    I never read the book but I dont beleive in it. Cuz I think if there is a problem then you got to solve it. I think this book works on your mind but doesnt relax the tension of my jaws.

    gefen: I’ll be happy to hear what u did when you get good results!

    #1089250

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    Moitrin?? Is that a new heimishe brand??

    FYI, TMJ = Temporomandibular Joint. Attaches lower jaw to skull. Everyone has one, but most people don’t notice until it hurts.

    Bruxism = grinding your teeth.

    #1089251

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    IMO I would proceed with caution with the Sarno book. I just came across this quote in a review (I find particularly irresponsible the advice to stop any physical therapy and to tell yourself that pain is not dangerous):

    “To help people recognize that their mind, rather than a physical abnormality is the source their pain Sarno’s treatment program involves lectures, group meeting and psychotherapy, if necessary. Patients are encouraged to discontinue all physical therapy, resume all physical activity, and review the 10 daily reminders: I have no structural abnormality only mild oxygen deprivation;-I have a harmless condition caused by repressed emotion (mostly anger);-TMS exists to distract me from emotions;-I have nothing to fear;-my physical aching is not dangerous;-I will not be concerned or intimidated by pain;-I will shift my attention from pain to emotional issues;-I intend to be in control-not my subconscious mind;-I must think psychological, not physical.”

    #1089252

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    (caveat: pain itself may not be dangerous, but one way or another, it’s your body telling you that something’s wrong.)

    #1089253

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Popa thinks that sounds idiotic. Yet, we know that there is a placebo effect. So maybe it only works for idiots who will believe it.

    But, I’ve never read the book, so I should really see the context.

    #1089254

    Health
    Participant

    gefen -“Health: Do you know why the dental blocks are not recommended anymore?”

    Ladies & Gents of the Jury – I present to you Exhibit A:

    “Hello Kitty –

    3- When you go to a dentist make sure that he is experienced and knows what hes doing. I went to a few dentists already and most of them just make you a guard and are NOT TMJ specialists. These night guards made my TMJ worse.”

    Btw, if you go to a Doc, like in the ER and you get injected -you probably won’t need to deal with this again. OTOH, if you brux (grind teeth) or have other anxiety or orthodonic problems, this might be chronic. You’ll have to treat the cause of the problem. Bruxism is usually caused by anxiety. Anxiety is treated with therapy and/or drugs. But I’d wager that this is your first time and getting injected will make it all disappear. After the injection, you can read any book you want to and it might help prevent a re-occurance.

    #1089255

    Hello Kitty
    Member

    my definition for TMJ: TMJ stands for Trouble Making Jaw!!

    #1089256

    MorahRach
    Member

    Wanderingchana-I just cracked up! Moitrin!

    Tylenol does nothing alieve can help but if you have had tmj really bad, it doesn’t do the trick. The mouth guard helped me a lot I was very good about wearing it, and as I got older I needed a bigger one made. BH I am doing well now but yes stress seriously adds to the pain!!! And chewing gum. A lot of people don’t realize things like chewing gum and eating lollipops exacerbates the pain. I really hope you feel better, good luck. Don’t grind your teeth!

    #1089257

    oomis
    Participant

    BTW, people with TMJ should not chew gum. It makes it worse.

    #1089258

    gefen
    Participant

    Popa – but idiots can’t read books. Is that why you haven’t read it?

    signed,

    lunatic

    wanderingchana – thanks for your post. I will certainly take into consideration what you said. I would only use his methods to the extent it would help me feel better. I am planning on asking my dentist about this anyway.

    #1089259

    gefen
    Participant

    HelloKitty: LOL – I like your acronym for TMJ.

    Health – I see what you mean with your exhibit A. But then MorahRach said it did help her. So, I guess each case is different.

    Anyway – I really thank all of you for your input. I will keep you posted.

    BTW – today B”H hasn’t been too bad – BLI AYIN HORA!!! The only thing is that I don’t even know what helped, if anything, or is it just not a bad day for my “Trouble Making Jaw”.

    #1089260

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    How can a physical problem be solved psychologically?

    #1089261

    Mammele
    Participant

    Tension may cause the jaw muscles to tighten and clenching of teeth. Many people have mild versions of TMJ that act up under stress, but if it’s a bad misalignment I think it needs to be treated medically.

    #1089264

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    TMJ is actually the joint.

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