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  • #1568187

    Takes2-2tango
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    Most of us know that Chinese products in general and food in particular made in china is at best inferior quality.
    There is hardly any oversight in the manufacturing products so why would anyone just consume food and candy made in China without any concern?
    the fact that it has or may have a good hashgacha has nothing to do with the quality of the food or candy product.
    Would love to hear what others have to say.

    #1568223

    👑RebYidd23
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    If you live there, you might not have a choice.

    #1568208

    Takes2-2tango
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    Sorry for the “china” typo

    #1568290

    Takes2-2tango
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    Living there is a whole nother story.

    #1568312

    yitzchokm
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    Why would you assume their food is of inferior quality, and not, say, your iphone 10?

    If you trust the company, you take into account their quality control processes to make sure the product is safe.

    #1568376

    CTLAWYER
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    @yitzchokm
    As I have been to China many times in the past 21 years, I have seen the corruption and dishonesty in the Chinese processed food industry.
    When the government is your automatic 50% partner, factory owners and manager look for ways to make their own fortunes. Great fortunes are made in this manner, but the risk is high. Every year scoundrels are caught sabotaging food supply and the typical response is a swift execution. Much of this does not hit the foreign press.

    The CTL family Greyhound fell victim to tainted Chinese processed food exported to the USA back about 2007. A large processor of component ingredients for animal food was substituting fake wheat gluten for real. Major American brands used the fake wheat gluten and thousands of animals and some humans were injured and/or died. Our Greyhound, a retired loser at the race track which we had rescued) was fed a dry food made by Iams (I can mention the name here, because Iams paid a settlement in the case). Instead of wheat gluten it contained melamine. This caused her kidneys to fail. We incurred more than $8,000 in Veterinary expenses and she suffered for 8 weeks until she died.

    I was in China earlier this year, I ate only fresh fruits and vegetables, steamed rice and packaged items I brought with me.
    We do not buy or use package Chinese produced food products exported to the USA. This is not to say that we may not be fed such items when eating at a relative’s home or restaurant. We may not buy that can of mushrooms labelled ‘Made in China’ but have no way of knowing if someone else is serving such an item to us.
    Our dogs no longer eat any commercial pet food. They have a diet of turkey, sweet potatoes and peas which we cook for them.
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    It is not necessarily a matter of inferior quality, but honesty. I certainly trusted Iams, and had fro many years. They were duped by the dishonest food supplier in China. BTW, about half a dozen Chinese factory executives implicated in this fraud were executed.

    Quality control only tests a small sample of product and is not the same as food safety examination. Quality control tests the looks, size, taste, feel, smell etc. of the food. Is it to the company’s standards? Does it look like the picture on the label?

    #1568426

    akuperma
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    The example cited did not have a hecksher. Has anyone found similar products with foods produced in China that did have a proper hecksher?

    #1568406

    DovidBT
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    When the government is your automatic 50% partner, factory owners and manager look for ways to make their own fortunes.

    I don’t understand. Could you explain that?

    #1568404

    👑RebYidd23
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    What are China’s safety standards? Are they the same for human food as for dogs?

    #1568396

    Takes2-2tango
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    yitzchokm:
    Why would you assume their food is of inferior quality, and not, say, your iphone 10?
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    Fisrtly i never owned an i phone. Secondly, last i checked people dont eat i phones.
    The title of this subject was about “eat or not to eat.”
    Now go and eat your made in china hat.

    #1568389

    Takes2-2tango
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    How about the Chinese scandal of when baby formula eas found to have melamine as a filler and many kids got very ill and died. Same with made in china baking cocoa containing melamine as a filler.

    #1568528

    CTLAWYER
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    @rebyidd23
    again, the dog food was manufactured in the USA using a component (wheat gluten) produced in China.
    China has many standards on the books that are routinely ignored

    #1568526

    CTLAWYER
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    @dovidbt
    The Chinese government owns 50% of all non-mom and pop businesses. They set the managers’ and co-owners’ salaries. They decide profit splits. The managers and co-owners want to reap the benefits of their labors and often break the law to do so.
    For the past year I have been working with a Chinese Banker to establish a Trust to send hand support his son in the US for high school college and graduate school. In May the Chinese government unilaterally cut salaries of all top bank officers by 50%. He is now approving loans to himself and family members form the bank at set rates, and set up a syndicate to invest the funds and keep the profits for himself to compensate for the salary cuts.
    This is the type of action that takes place often

    #1568525

    CTLAWYER
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    @akuperma
    The Iams dog food did not have a heckscher and used here and was not manufactured in China. The fake wheat gluten was a food component made in China under kosher supervision and exported. It was used in both animal and human foods. The effects on animal kidneys by small amounts of melamine was far greater than human kidneys.

    #1568545

    Takes2-2tango
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    Go to any store which sells candy . tons of kosher candy are made in china

    #1568618

    CTLAWYER
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    @takes2
    The OP asked if you would eat it, not if it exists.
    I go to the supermarket and see many kosher cottage cheese, yogurt and sour cream containers…but I won’t eat them. I don’t like the product, doesn’t matter that it’s kosher or not.

    #1568632

    Genya
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    Same with cars, would you prefer your new Volvo or Cadillac be made in Sweden or United States or in Communist Red China?

    #1568634

    Takes2-2tango
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    Ctl,
    We are discussing food and candy.
    Why woyld someone throw in iphones . I mmentioned kosher because my asdumption is that most people reading this coffee room keep kosher. Nothing more nothing less.Did i miss something?

    #1568640

    Amil Zola
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    I’m with CTL on pet food. As to people food, I’m not going to chance it. I find it interesting that many people who distrust food packaged in China (or in the far east) will still buy talapia farmed in China or salmon farmed and processed in China.

    #1568553

    Takes2-2tango
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    Beware Of These 9 Foods From China That Could Be Contaminated
    Scott O’Reilly
    2 years ago
    The air quality in China is notoriously bad. Unfortunately, water and soil pollution in the People’s Republic is just as horrendous. Asia may seem like a long way off, but thanks to globalization, contaminated food from China is finding its ways onto supermarket shelves in this country. Why is this happening? What Chinese food products pose a danger? And what can you do to protect your family? Here are some things you need to know.

    Food safety is woeful in China
    Food production in China is very poorly regulated. In addition, the inspection process is famous for being thoroughly corrupted. As a result, most Chinese citizens have very little confidence in the food they consume.

    In fact, U.S. Customs officials frequently reject large batches of foodstuff shipments from China because they contain unhealthy additives, dangerous drug residues or they are simply unsanitary. Nevertheless, contaminated food still gets in.
    Water for irrigation is polluted
    Food safety experts contend that there are multiple problems with China’s agricultural products. To begin with, industrial-style farming in China is virtually unregulated. As a result, both soil and waterways are heavily contaminated with heavy metals, pesticide residues and industrial waste. That means crops are irrigated with filthy water supplies and grown in toxic soil.
    In fact, lakes, rivers and reservoirs are so polluted in China that local farmers complain that the irrigation water they rely on is frequently discolored and black. However, the so-called “dirty water” is all they have available for farming.
    Corrupt health officials and mislabeling are additional problems that afflict China’s food industry. Consequently, tainted products are the rule rather than the exception. And fraudulent packaging means no one can trust what they are eating. Here is a list of foods from China to avoid:
    1. Fish
    Cod and other foods from China may be contaminated
    Cod and tilapia are two popular kinds of seafood that frequently come from China. In fact, more than half of the cod and tilapia sold in the U.S. are bred and grown in Chinese fish farms. The main problem is that water pollution is endemic. Any fish raised there are probably contaminated by heavy metals like mercury or lead, which pose a significant hazard — particularly to pregnant women.
    2. Chicken
    Factory farming is not only inhumane, it’s also unhealthy. Industrial agricultural practices are even worse in China where viruses like the avian flu are rampant in poultry centers.
    3. Apple juice
    Recently, the U.S. government lifted restrictions on importing apples from China. America grows more than enough apples to supply all our country’s needs, but now half the apple juice sold in the states comes from China. Several years ago, health officials found antifreeze in juice from China. Even if that problem has been rectified, apples grown in toxic Chinese soil should be suspect.
    4. Green peas
    Green peas and other foods from China may be contaminated
    Contaminated food is bad enough, but fake food can be even more dangerous. Phony soups, pudding and rice are fairly common in China. Now, a new concoction has hit the marketplace — counterfeit peas. They contain soy, chemicals like metabisulfite and a green dye. Peas from China should be avoided.

    Edited for length – please break up extra-long posts. Thanks! -33

    #1568707

    CTLAWYER
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    @Takes2
    I don’t know why someone added phones to a food discussion, or the newest one who wanted to know if you wanted your Cadillac or Volvo made in “Communist Red China”

    Is there a Non-Communist Red China?
    Personally I wouldn’t want a Cadillac made anywhere, never liked GM cars and the last Volvo I had was a 1976 264 GL. I’m very happy driving my English made car, but I’m typing on a Chinese made computer nd have no problem with that.
    That said, I’d not be eating any of these things

    #1568669

    Takes2-2tango
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    Amil Zola:
    I’m with CTL on pet food. As to people food, I’m not going to chance it. I find it interesting that many people who distrust food packaged in China (or in the far east) will still buy talapia farmed in China or salmon farmed and processed in China.
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    Your 100 percent right. But im willing to bet that most peple are unaware about the fish u mentioned.
    I was actually surprised this year during the 9 days to see frozen DAGIM brand tilapia and other frozen fish from CHINA. It’s abig big problem. Becauae are simply unaware.

    #1568670

    Takes2-2tango
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    Continuation from earlier:
    5. Garlic
    Garlic is widely considered one of the healthiest herbs on the planet. It is a natural antibiotic and may have cholesterol-lowering and anti-tumor properties to boot. Unfortunately, garlic originating from China has been found laced with pesticides like methyl bromide. Up to one-third of the garlic on U.S. shelves now comes from China, but it would be wise to insist on garlic grown elsewhere.

    6. Mushrooms
    More than one-third of all the processed mushrooms consumed in the U.S. come from China. In fact, Chinese mushrooms have raised safety concerns the world over for years. Farmers have a reputation for adding sulfur dioxide and formaldehyde to them to keep them looking fresher than they really are. Unfortunately, Chinese mushrooms are often repackaged in this country, making it difficult for consumers to know what they are eating.

    7. Salt
    The salt consumed in China is often of the industrial variety. It’s probably inevitable that sodium used to prepare processed food products in China will end up in American bellies too. Source natural sea salt and Himalayan pink salt instead.

    8. Rice
    White rice and other foods from China may be contaminated

    In Joseph Heller’s novel “Catch-22,” war profiteers doused cotton in chocolate to turn an inedible substance into a “food.” Now, there are reports that China has been exporting a “plastic rice” that is a combination of potato and resin. Real life is sometimes stranger than fiction, but that doesn’t mean we should be consuming it.

    9. Organic food
    The U.S. and the European Union have standards to certify organic produce meets certain requirements. In China, however, regulations governing organic produce are virtually non-existent. In addition, farmers and inspectors often collude when it comes to misleading labeling in order to circumvent foreign custom inspections. As a result, food originating in China stamped “organic” is likely anything but.

    Know where your food comes from
    The smog in a major industrial Chinese city is easy to spot. Similarly, ordinary Chinese citizens understand that food safety is a major issue that they live with on a daily basis. In contrast, it can be difficult for consumers in the U.S. to recognize that cod fillets imported from China are in fact contaminated.

    Products like phony eggs and fake honey have been rampant in China for years. Indeed, unsafe food is something of a national scandal most Chinese are all too aware of. In fact, a Chinese student has even dedicated a website to expose and document some of the worst abuses. Unfortunately, contaminated food has health consequences. For instance, both food poisoning and gastrointestinal cancer rates are pretty common in China.

    Knowing where your food comes from is an important first step in protecting both you and your family. Health and nutritional experts generally agree, locally grown food is usually better for you and the environment. If you’d like to do more, then check out this petition. It’s aimed at keeping Chinese chickens out of school cafeterias and off supermarket shelves.

    — Scott O’Reilly

    #1568752

    yehudayona
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    Proof that CTLAWYER is not Michel Lotito.

    #1568799

    CTLAWYER
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    @yehudayona
    I’m also not a sword swallower

    #1568820

    yehudayona
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    Takes2, you had me going until the part about salt. Sea salt and Himalayan pink salt are safer than “industrial salt?” Presumably “industrial salt” is mined salt, which is quite pure NaCl, certainly purer than sea salt or pink salt.

    #1568821

    marbehshalom
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    no one here yet discussed kashrus.
    maybe badatx should not give a hechsher on chinese candies

    #1568808

    Amil Zola
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    Takes Two, that’s the reason I mentioned it, people need to learn about unsustainably grown farmed fish. These fish are also fed a great many fungicides to keep them ‘healthy’. I read about a sustainable talapia farm out in Montana or South Dakota, a while ago. It’s an interesting operation and bio culture. I’m happy to live where fresh fish are wild, safe and reasonably priced.

    #1568854

    (Mr. Lotito’s been deceased since 2007.)

    #1569059

    Arielski
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    The same melamine contamination also happened to Chinese-manufactured infant formula. In 2008 six babies died, 50,000 were hospitalized with some degree of kidney dysfunction. I read labels and don’t eat any food from China.

    #1569111

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    This past friday I noticed a whole slew of canned foods which i never noticed before are now made in china with regular and hemishe hashgachos. Just make sure u check every can of its origin.
    I also just read that there is a new law in canada . If i understood it correctly,that if any part of a manufacturing process is “made in canada” it can be labeled as “made in canada no matter how small the process was. So for example if noodles are imported from china but was packaged in canada it can be labeled as “made in canada”. This law could have major devastating results.

    #1569277

    yitzchokm
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    Takes2-2tango
    I didn’t take you as a conspiracy theorist but taking advice from a cockamamie website doesn’t make you look smarter.

    The fact is that it’s virtually impossible to eat food today without Chinese ingredients.

    marbehshalom
    Regarding the hecsher, why would there be a problem?

    #1569419

    Shopping613 🌠
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    If it’s not safe and checked who on earth made it kosher?

    #1569408

    yehudayona
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    yitzchokm, it may be virtually impossible to eat prepared foods without Chinese ingredients, but basic foods are probably free of them, unless otherwise indicated. BTW, one of the heimishe brands of dry yeast is made in China. Ironically, Red Star brand isn’t — it’s made in Mexico.

    #1569480

    yitzchokm
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    Shopping613, it’s safe. And kosher. See? Problem solved.

    yehudayona, true. But most people come across processed food most of the time. In one way or another

    #1569496

    Takes2-2tango
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    Shopping613 🌠
    If it’s not safe and checked who on earth made it kosher?
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    Mashgichim will tell you that thier job is only kashrus and not any health related issues. But the sad fact is , to be a mashgiach in china is very difficult because the Chinese are known to go behind your back etc..

    #1569801

    Amil Zola
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    “Empire of Red Gold” is documentary of how the Chinese have cornered the processed tomato market world wide. That can of tomato paste your spouse used for dinner tonight likely came from China. The tomatoes were grown and processed in China shipped back to different processors in 55 gallon drums and reprocessed (adding, sugar, salt etc) and canned on consumer sized containers. This film also addresses some of the constituents added when the tomatoes are processed into highly concentrated pastes.

    #1569932

    yitzchokm
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    Takes2-2tango

    I personally know Mashgichim in China. They’re not the idiots you make them out to be

    #1570258

    Takes2-2tango
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    yitzchokmParticipant
    Takes2-2tango

    I personally know Mashgichim in China. They’re not the idiots you make them out to be
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    No one made anyone out to be idiots.
    I also know know some excellent mashgichim working abroad, but that doesnt take away the problems and issues facing the production of foods, both kosher and non kosher, made in in china.
    Maybe you should learn to read the entire article before responding.

    #1570448

    Shopping613 🌠
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    Takes2 toTango, pretty sure lots of kashrus is mixed in with health issues, like not eating bugs, blood, etc.
    If the mashgichim have to lie there, than how do I know the hechesher doesn’t lie in other places?

    I personally wouldn’t eat the hechsher at all then.

    #1570512

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    “Maybe you should learn to read the entire article before responding.”

    as hard as it was, I read your entire nonsense. all of it. When the FDA alerts us of a problem I’ll bite. Until then, please keep your ideas to yourself, especially when you’re alarming an entire community.

    #1570530

    Takes2-2tango
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    Shopping613 🌠Participant
    Takes2 toTango, pretty sure lots of kashrus is mixed in with health issues, like not eating bugs, blood, etc.
    If the mashgichim have to lie there, than how do I know the hechesher doesn’t lie in other places?

    I personally wouldn’t eat the hechsher at all then.
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    I never ever said or suggested that the mashgichim lie.
    I said that most Chinese companies are known to very dishonest and purposely do things behind thier backs.
    A mashgiach is only good when everyone is out to do good but mistakes do happen and thats where mashgichim play a role.
    But if on the outset the company is dishonest to begin with then how can the mashgiach trust himself.
    Sorta like what happened in monsey with traif chickens. The owner was someone who gave a daf yomi every day and blew shofer on RH. But he was rotten to the core. He was able to blow off the mashgichim for over 10 years. If this can happen under a frum owner , it can definitely happen undet a goyish Chinese food manufacturer who are known to deceive the buyer or end user of said product!

    #1570646

    Shopping613 🌠
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    Are you saying the hechsher doesn’t know that they are being lied to?
    If so you should report this to them.

    #1570592

    Takes2-2tango
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    FDA Warns Chinese API Manufacturer for GMP Violations
    Posted 27 June 2018 | By Michael Mezher

    FDA Warns Chinese API Manufacturer for GMP Violations
    The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has warned Chinese active pharmaceutical ingredient (API) manufacturer Henan Lihua Pharmaceutical Co. Ltd. for good manufacturing practice (GMP) violations stemming from an inspection last December.

    According to the company’s website, Henan Lihua produces steroid and hormone APIs and is GMP-certified by regulators in the EU, US and China.

    During the inspection, FDA said its investigators observed lapses in oversight by the company’s quality unit and deviations related to record keeping at the Henan province-based facility. These issues resulted in the agency placing the company on import alert in March.

    GMP and Data Integrity Issues

    FDA says the company rubber stamped manufacturing records and did not control access to those forms or the stamps.

    “Our investigator observed numerous blank batch manufacturing records in an open cabinet in your manufacturing workshop office. Among these were multiple blank product release forms marked with a red quality assurance release stamp as ‘Permitted to Leave [the] Factory,'” FDA writes, noting that the company said it stamped the records in advance “for convenience.”

    FDA also says the company’s equipment for conducting stability testing was configured to allow operators to continuously use the “preview run” function while overwriting previous runs and that the company only retained the final “preview run” for each test.

    As a result of these issues, FDA says the company must conduct a comprehensive investigation into its data records and reporting, assess the effects of any inaccuracies on the quality of its products and develop a strategy for implementing a corrective and preventative action plan (CAPA).

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