April 21, 2016 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #617612
I was having discussion with a friend about the minhag of not eating at other people’s houses on Pesach. He argued that such a minhag seems to run counter to the fact that the idea of the korban Pesach was to have others eat with you. What do you think?April 21, 2016 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #1148746
The Korbon Pesach was eaten with one’s family.
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I’m more for bein adam l’chaveiro and achudus, than some over-the-top chumra.April 21, 2016 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #1148748
But wasn’t it so that if the family did not have enough people to consume it, they invited others to share?April 21, 2016 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #1148749
“Kol dichfin yeisei v’yeichol”
(unless you don’t mish)April 21, 2016 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #1148750
Minhagim change.April 21, 2016 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #1148751
The absolute minhag that people should have relating to mishing is to not mish arayn in yenner’s minhagim.
I have never heard of any Talmud Chochom or Godol who felt that not mishing an “over the top chumra”. In fact there are people who comport themselves that way the whole year.
And the minhag is not to eat food from outside the house, it is never purported as a reason not to have guests. In fact, I would venture that the people who are noheg not to mish have many more needy people as guests for yom tov than the people who proclaim that minhag is a stira to bein adam l’chaveiro and achudus.April 21, 2016 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #1148752
Joseph: All of Klal Yisrael is Raui to share one Korban Pesach. Veshachatu Oso Kol K’hal Adas Yisrael. We are not Karaites who take the simple reading of Pesukim instead of Torah Sheba’al Peh.
(Although, just to remove a possible Stirah, it probably is Davka by Pesach Mitzrayim that you needed a Seh LaBayis because it was Assur to leave your house on Leil Pesach to eat at someone else. In fact, this answer is too good and simple that is has to be a Gemara or Chazal somewhere. Anyone help?)April 21, 2016 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #1148753
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I assume that if someone was counted in the korbon Pesach, eating from it would not be considered mishihg.April 21, 2016 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1148754
It always strikes me as somewhat contradictory when people use “bein adam li’chavero” to bash somebody else’s minhag…April 21, 2016 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #1148755
It always strikes me as somewhat contradictory when people use “bein adam li’chavero” to bash somebody else’s minhag…
To be fair, much as I often disagree with nisht and his style, he wasn’t bashing anyone else’s minhag in his last post. On the contrary, he was saying that we should respect other people’s minhagim.
The WolfApril 21, 2016 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #1148756
Not to mix is a chumra that goes beyond Pesach chumros. Bnei Yisroel were supposed to have achdus to merit Yetzias Mitzrayim. The Gerrer chasidim minhag is to have seudas chaverim during chol hamoed. To invite your friends over for a meal. This is what will bring geulah and Moshiach.April 21, 2016 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #1148757
Most people mish today, instead of mishing with your neighbors you mish with Gefen, Hadar, Coca Cola and so on and so forth. It’s almost laughable
people that go to hotels but don’t mish.April 21, 2016 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1148758
^thisApril 21, 2016 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #1148759
Wolf, my comment was not in any way directed at nishtdayngesheft.April 21, 2016 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #1148760
theprof1: Does that minhag mean he could eat on chol hamoed Pesach at his daati neighbor’s house or only at another member of the gerrer kehila (who generally keeps the same set of chumros as he does based on the kehila and rebbe’s minhagim)?April 21, 2016 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #1148761
I reference the following relevant story from the last go around of this topic.April 22, 2016 12:20 am at 12:20 am #1148762
Wolf, my comment was not in any way directed at nishtdayngesheft.
My apologies then. His was the last reference to “bein adam l’chaveiro.”
(Incidentally, people sometimes ask me why I quote the person I’m responding to. This is *exactly* the reason why. 🙂 )April 22, 2016 3:04 am at 3:04 am #1148763
nisht: I have heard major Talmidei Chachamim/Poskim say that the “no mishing” idea is a very inappropriate Chumra.April 22, 2016 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1148764
Sam: The TC/P you speak of are MO? The link nisht provided was of Rav Pam saying the no mishing minhag must be respected and is legitimate. And Rav Pam offered a reason for the Minhag.April 22, 2016 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm #1148765
Joseph: One probably qualifies as “MO”. Two definitely don’t. And I once heard a major “MO” Posek defend the Minhag. So I don’t think it splits among those lines.
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