May 23, 2023 12:32 pm at 12:32 pm #2192466ywnjudyParticipant
If any of Penny’s potential lawyers happen upon this, consider it a rhetorical post. Was it the chokehold / or the jerking train / which actually was the final clincher that killed Neely? Has this been discussed yet?
In Jewish law isn’t it the one responsible for the final-clincher who’s held liable, even if the final person just happened to be in the way (with no intent to harm)? Of course, I don’t mean that Penny’s intent was to harm. Rather i’m just citing Jewish law from the bowels of murky memory.May 23, 2023 9:25 pm at 9:25 pm #2192695DovidBTParticipant
If you take that approach, then the liberal mob will assert that the transit system is racist and should pay reparations.May 24, 2023 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #2192846RockyParticipant
I think a very worthy argument (which I have not heard on the news) is “What would you have done if you were on the train?” Would you allow neely to harm others? Do you know of a better way to restrain a violent man threatening others? If so, do you think your reflexes would have sprung into action and done that?
The concept of spinning an argument can be a very powerful one and should be used more often to defeat stupid points of view. For example, when Hamas Islamic Jihad etc , launches 1,000 rockets at Israeli citizens and Israel responds with airstrikes, they should ask the brain-dead liberal who complains “So what do recommend Israel should do?” then just sit quietly.May 24, 2023 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #2192963n0mesorahParticipant
Your memory is incorrect.
Holding someone down in a fatal sequence is liable for the death penalty.
Even without the Torah criteria for the death penalty, it’s still murder.
I’m not commenting on this specific instance.
Though it is worth remembering that this not a unique occurrence.May 27, 2023 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #2193160ywnjudyParticipant
Whatever… just surprised i hadn’t seen that particular angle discussed. Or maybe it was. Its been many years since i was on the subway, but even way back then, i remember shrinking into myself, trying to remain as inconspicuous as possible whenever boisterously loud/wild teens would enter my car. V’hameivin yavin.
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