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This world spends too much money on transportation technology and not enough money figuring out teleportation.
Hashem gave us brains, why are we using them to make more vehicles and not making ourselves in flying klis?
Thank you!
Airplanes have been around for about a century now and are exactly what you’re asking for. And air transport technology has constantly improved since it’s been invented.
Besides, what’s wrong with improved modes of terrestrial transportation?
Anyone who has ever driven or been in a car can see the crazy drivers. They are bad enough. Now imagine if those crazy drivers were also able to fly an airplane. The damage would be worse
Why is everyone assuming teleportation means flying?
Why is everyone assuming teleportation means flying?
Probably because she mentioned “flying klis”.
I think you’ve been reading too many comics.
Because what if the place in which you appear is already occupied?
No, we’re people.
Also, why are we “flying klis” if we’re not flying?
You are saying that teleportation is absolutely not in Hashem’s Will?
Who said that?
Meno, I think that was probably in response to Joseph’s comic comment. If he thinks she got this from reading too many comics, the implication is that he thinks it could never happen. If you think something can never happen, that is the same as saying that you think that Hashem would never Will it to happen.
Is that what you meant, LB?
Beam me up.
There’s no intelligent life down here.
To say that teleportation cannot exist and is only a thing of one’s imagination is limiting our responsibility to fulfill Hashem’s Will.
Hashem’s will is expressed in the Torah. I don’t think included any of the Taryag mitzvos is to invent a teleporter.
The way Hashem created the world is that people with a financial incentive to invent new technologies will do so.
If someone (or some company) felt that it would be possible to invent one, and lucrative financially to do so, they would. The fact that nobody has (probably because nobody has the technology to do so) is in no way a violation of Hashem’s will.
That’s different than what you originally said, that we should spend money on it.
Frankly, it would be wasted money.
I would tend to agree with Joseph on this, although it’s not something that one can say for sure.
I realize that there have been many things invented over the years that no one would have thought possible. The difference with this is that it seems to involve people going beyond space which might be against the Torah. But perhaps that is not what it involves. How would it work exactly? It has to somehow work within nature. Is the person literally flying through the air? Are they flying through the walls?
If you are going to say, “well, how does any modern technology work? How do words get from my printed screen to yours?” , the answer is that there is a way that it works within nature. So how would this work?
“That’s different than what you originally said, that we should spend money on it.”
It’s not a stira. She was talking about two different things in the op and in her last post. Her last 3 posts were simply a response to Joseph’s comment implying that it must be impossible for such a thing to exist.
I can currently imagine two possible (though currently only science fiction) methods for Teleportation, loosely defined as near-instantaneous relocation of matter from one place to another.
Method 1 – shortening the distance between the two places through some method such as a ‘wormhole’ or ‘sub-space doorway’ etc, and then stepping through this doorway. While no such technology exists, I think this is totally within the realm of Torah and belief in Hashem. For simplicity, and to hint at why I think it is compatible with Judaism, we can call this “Kevitzus Haderech”. Sound familiar??
Method 2 – Converting all matter on site A into purely digital or other ‘transmittable’ signals, waves, or particles, then transmitting them to site B and reconstructing them into their original form. I believe that this method is impossible according to Judaism and it’s tenets. Since a human consists of more than just physical particles, but also contains a Neshama (and maybe a Ruach too depending on how you define these terms,) once it is deconstructed, it is dead. It cannot be ‘reconstructed’ by a machine. Also, if that were possible, we would be able to save the electronic ‘digital image’ of the deconstructed person and then replicate it by reconstructing it more than once. We would be able to create people using something like a 3D printer, and call it ‘alive’! Of course, it would still be missing the Ruach and Neshama, so it can’t be alive. That was Frankenstein’s dilemma. You can call this one ‘Yesh MeAyin’!
See lightbrite? someone did think about this!
No, the last post was a response to me.
Also, let’s get real. It is impossible.
Why do you assume kefitzas haderech is a natural phenomenon? It is not.
I’ll bet you’re a a sci-fi fan.
“No, the last post was a response to me.”
It was a response to your response of her response to Joseph’s post (but I think you hadn’t realized that she was responding to Joseph initially), so it was in essence a response to Joseph’s post (although I think you didn’t realize that).“Also, let’s get real. It is impossible.”
Agreed. I was just explaining what she meant; I was not saying that I agreed with her.Why do you assume that I assume?
Was it a Natural Phenomenon? I never said that. It was 100% miraculous and made by G-d, nothing ‘natural’ about that. Though it was probably more of a physical ‘phenomenon’ rather than a purely spiritual one, as per Rashi. Though I never said that either. I just labeled a theoretical non-existent technology using a concept that we are already familiar with.
Rashi describes Kefitzas Haderech as Hashem reducing the distance between the two points (‘folding up the land beneath his feet’) thus allowing the subject to reach his destination quicker. Nothing was done to the traveler, it was the path he took that was shortened. Thus, completely in line with what I described. If technology would allow us to replicate things today that were done thousands of years ago by miracles, would that be denying that they were miracles and claiming that they were ‘natural’? That is what Pharaoh claimed…
and yes, I am a sci-fi fan, though much more when I was younger. This whole thread is about Teleportation, a technology that does not exist, and is therefore purely Science Fiction.
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