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    flatbusher
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    Do you consider a man wearing a toupee as a guy who colors his hair? is it considered beged isha?

    #1115138

    cherrybim
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    Anything that a fellow does to make himself look younger is considered beged isha.

    #1115139

    mobico
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    But if he does it not to look younger per se but because he is embarrassed, or to further his professional ambitions, then perhaps it would not be Beged Isha.

    #1115140

    cherrybim

    so I guess a modern person instead of waering his normal tiny yarmulke he is wearing a larger yarmulke to cover up his baldness. I guess to you that’s considered begged isha?

    #1115141

    flatbusher
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    Is that really a psak, that anything that makes a man look younger is considered beged isha? What is he is bald and embarrassed from cancer treatment?

    #1115143

    cherrybim
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    Yes, it’s a real p’sak.

    I would think that wigs for medical or business purposes are not included.

    I know people who do comb-overs. I wonder if that is included.

    #1115144

    nfgo3
    Member

    I have a serious question: Should the wearing of a toupee be considered the fulfillment of the mitzvah of wearing a yarmulke?

    #1115145

    flatbusher
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    Could you explain the psak. Why are women allowed to make themselves appear younger (and for whom?) and not men. If you say that women should be attractive to their husbands, shouldn’t husbands be attractive to their wives?

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    Joseph
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    Because women are permitted to wear beged isha.

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    flatbusher
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    That doesn’t explain it, Joseph. The question is why?

    #1115148

    👑RebYidd23
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    But why is it beged isha? And how unattractive does one need to be? If you are naturally very handsome with perfect hair, do you have to make yourself go bald?

    #1115149

    flatbusher
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    I am curious about this psak. Whose psak was it that a toupee is considered beged isha and why are women allowed to make themselves attractive but men are not

    #1115150

    Sam2
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    nfgo: There is no Mitzvah to wear a Kippah.

    flatbusher and rebyidd: It’s not necessarily about a greater reason. The Gemara assumes that attempting to look younger is a female endeavor and therefore is Beged Isha for a man to attempt.

    #1115151

    Joseph
    Participant

    Men’s endeavor is to look older and wiser.

    Rabbi Eleazar ben Azaryah… Harei ani keven shivim shana…

    #1115152

    flatbusher
    Participant

    Where does the gemara say this?

    #1115153

    Joseph
    Participant

    You’ll read it in the Hagadah at the Seder.

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    flatbusher
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    I figured you really can’t quote a specific psak or gemara.

    #1115155

    Joseph
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    Rabbi Eleazar ben Azaryah I think is in Berochos 28a.

    #1115156

    WolfishMusings
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    Rabbi Eleazar ben Azaryah… Harei ani keven shivim shana..

    That’s a statement of fact, not a p’sak halacha or even a guideline for physical appearance.

    By the same token, we should only use rocks for pillows since it says “YaYikach MeAvnei HaMakom VaYashem M’Ra’ashosav…”

    The Wolf

    #1115157

    Joseph
    Participant

    Wolf, it makes a point, though, that I was bringing out. The menfolk respect older and wiser. In fact older as wiser. Indeed looking older (even if not older) gives a wiser impression.

    #1115158

    sholomrov
    Member

    The gemorah that says trying to look younger is beged isha is in makos 20b.

    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=25&daf=20b&format=pdf

    See Ein Mishpat for where it is brought l’halacha.

    #1115159

    flatbusher
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    The Ein Mishpat is talking about toupees? And we pasken like that? How often do we come across in the Mishnah Berurah that we do contrary to what the stated halacha said. I wonder if there are any more recent poskim who have commented on this topic. It seems that if baldness causes agmas nefesh or if a toupee makes a person feel better, or helps a person be more b’simchah, why is that a problem?

    Looking older to seem wiser sounds deceptive.

    #1115160

    cherrybim
    Participant

    While a shaitel will enhance a women’s appearance, a man’s toupee makes him look like an idiot; and that’s assur too.

    #1115161

    Meno
    Participant

    ^ Well said. I think that pretty much closes this issue.

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