November 30, 2015 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #616752
Do you consider a man wearing a toupee as a guy who colors his hair? is it considered beged isha?December 1, 2015 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1115138
Anything that a fellow does to make himself look younger is considered beged isha.December 1, 2015 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #1115139mobicoParticipant
But if he does it not to look younger per se but because he is embarrassed, or to further his professional ambitions, then perhaps it would not be Beged Isha.December 1, 2015 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #1115140Mashiach AgentMember
so I guess a modern person instead of waering his normal tiny yarmulke he is wearing a larger yarmulke to cover up his baldness. I guess to you that’s considered begged isha?December 2, 2015 3:32 am at 3:32 am #1115141
Is that really a psak, that anything that makes a man look younger is considered beged isha? What is he is bald and embarrassed from cancer treatment?December 2, 2015 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #1115143
Yes, it’s a real p’sak.
I would think that wigs for medical or business purposes are not included.
I know people who do comb-overs. I wonder if that is included.December 2, 2015 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #1115144nfgo3Member
I have a serious question: Should the wearing of a toupee be considered the fulfillment of the mitzvah of wearing a yarmulke?December 3, 2015 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #1115145
Could you explain the psak. Why are women allowed to make themselves appear younger (and for whom?) and not men. If you say that women should be attractive to their husbands, shouldn’t husbands be attractive to their wives?December 3, 2015 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #1115146
Because women are permitted to wear beged isha.December 3, 2015 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #1115147
That doesn’t explain it, Joseph. The question is why?December 3, 2015 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #1115148👑RebYidd23Participant
But why is it beged isha? And how unattractive does one need to be? If you are naturally very handsome with perfect hair, do you have to make yourself go bald?December 3, 2015 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1115149
I am curious about this psak. Whose psak was it that a toupee is considered beged isha and why are women allowed to make themselves attractive but men are notDecember 3, 2015 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #1115150Sam2Participant
nfgo: There is no Mitzvah to wear a Kippah.
flatbusher and rebyidd: It’s not necessarily about a greater reason. The Gemara assumes that attempting to look younger is a female endeavor and therefore is Beged Isha for a man to attempt.December 3, 2015 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #1115151
Men’s endeavor is to look older and wiser.
Rabbi Eleazar ben Azaryah… Harei ani keven shivim shana…December 3, 2015 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1115152
Where does the gemara say this?December 3, 2015 5:59 pm at 5:59 pm #1115153
You’ll read it in the Hagadah at the Seder.December 3, 2015 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1115154
I figured you really can’t quote a specific psak or gemara.December 3, 2015 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #1115155
Rabbi Eleazar ben Azaryah I think is in Berochos 28a.December 3, 2015 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #1115156WolfishMusingsParticipant
Rabbi Eleazar ben Azaryah… Harei ani keven shivim shana..
That’s a statement of fact, not a p’sak halacha or even a guideline for physical appearance.
By the same token, we should only use rocks for pillows since it says “YaYikach MeAvnei HaMakom VaYashem M’Ra’ashosav…”
The WolfDecember 3, 2015 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1115157
Wolf, it makes a point, though, that I was bringing out. The menfolk respect older and wiser. In fact older as wiser. Indeed looking older (even if not older) gives a wiser impression.December 3, 2015 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #1115158sholomrovMember
The gemorah that says trying to look younger is beged isha is in makos 20b.
See Ein Mishpat for where it is brought l’halacha.December 4, 2015 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #1115159
The Ein Mishpat is talking about toupees? And we pasken like that? How often do we come across in the Mishnah Berurah that we do contrary to what the stated halacha said. I wonder if there are any more recent poskim who have commented on this topic. It seems that if baldness causes agmas nefesh or if a toupee makes a person feel better, or helps a person be more b’simchah, why is that a problem?
Looking older to seem wiser sounds deceptive.December 8, 2015 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #1115160
While a shaitel will enhance a women’s appearance, a man’s toupee makes him look like an idiot; and that’s assur too.December 8, 2015 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm #1115161MenoParticipant
^ Well said. I think that pretty much closes this issue.
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