July 21, 2011 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #598140
I’m starting this thread for all to share any information you have in keeping kids safe.
I came across a piece of technology that I think many will want to know about. It is called a Lok8u GPS child locator. It essentially looks and functions like a child’s digital watch, but it’s real function is a GPS to allow parents to locate their kids when needed. It is advertised for kids ages 3-12, and comes in black or pink. I found it on a website called brickhousesecurity.com, although it may be sold on other websites. It has a technology that hooks up to a parents cell phone or computer. Cost $200. Also, parents are alerted immediately if the watch is removed.
Perhaps we can appeal to the state (even with the horrible state of financial affairs) to partially or fully fund the cost of these, for those in greater financial distress.July 21, 2011 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #788491PeacemakerMember
Sounds great. After the $200 initial cost for the device, is there a recurring monthly fee? If so, how much?
Don’t some cellphones also have a GPS feature for parents to track their children?July 21, 2011 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #788492
I think the $200 covers the full cost of the item with no recurring monthly fees (from what I read). This seems like a better device for kids because THEY wear it enabling us to find them, whereas with a gps, I don’t see how it would track a person without a clip on them.July 21, 2011 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #788493Boro Park GirlMember
Well NY state has an unexpected surplus of $800 million so they can sponsor it.July 21, 2011 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #788494
Correction: there is a monthly fee. It’s either $10 or $18 /month depending on if you want only web or web and SMS. Yearly in advance it’s $110 or $200 similarly.
It can be used in Canada also, and for a 30 day vacation period in Israel.
They also have a cheaper item for parks etc for young kids: It’s called the “mommy I’m here child locator”. It looks like Teddy bears that you clip onto your child’s shoe. You hold the remote and if they wander, you can locate them within 150 feet (it will cause the child’s Teddy to chirp if you activate it, allowing you to find them. That costs $60 for two Teddy devices and remotes, and I think there’s no monthly fee.July 21, 2011 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #788495bombmaniacParticipant
you people are all nuts. seriously. GIVE IT A REST! ok so a guy kidnaps a child. but youre a genius! you gave him a GPS tracker!!! yay. so teh guy takes it off. it beeps on your end. YAY!!! now you know where they were last seen. shkoyach. what if theres no camera?
AIN LEDAVAR SOF!!! for god’s sake! give it a rest. you;re all going absolutely crazy about an isolated incident. and before everyone here goes on to pound me with the “you have no idea how often it happens” youre right. i don;t. BECAUSE IT DOESNT. how about you all make like those retarded mothers on 13th avenue who just cant be bothered to keep an eye on their kids, and PUT THEM ON A LEASH?! better yet. lock them in the attic for their own good.
if you considered any of those options, then you have problems. theres a difference between being more cautions and (this is a very unfortunate word choice and i mean no offense by using it. it just is the best word for the context) smothering a child. this is (once again zeit mir mochel) smothering. plain and simple. this is like what the TSA does at airports. enough is enough.July 21, 2011 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #788496
Your point is valid, but I disagree. First of all, Leiby a’h, left day camp around 4:50. He was supposed to meet his mother 10 minutes later. He walked for over half an hour before meeting the wrong person. His mom would’ve had at least 15-20 minutes to track him. Knowing that it was his first time walking, she also could have had the option to check periodically when he was supposed to his way to make sure he was going in the right direction. Yes, kidnapping and murder is b’h fairly rare, however, lost children, missing children are not. Children being given some freedom for the first few times/months is also not so rare, it’s a regular occurrence.As far as the Teddy clip goes, it’s also more useful than you think. Many parks are large, and have several areas for kids to run and climb. It can be very worrisome when parks have multiple exits and you have multiple children where some have a tendency to try to run out of the park, not understanding gates and boundaries.
Not all will opt for this, but some might, so why not discuss it?July 22, 2011 1:10 am at 1:10 am #788497
I don’t think your crazy but I think you need to do more research. How much would it cost if bought in bulk? What if it was bought 30 pieces at a time? Or even 100 or 200 pieces at a time? What if it was bought 1,000 pieces at a time? This is something to be researched and if there are other companies with this technology. If the price can be brought down it is possible that someone would fund it through Hatzolah or Bikur Cholim or another non-profit agency and the public can buy it from them at a better price.July 22, 2011 2:21 am at 2:21 am #788498apushatayidParticipant
This is getting a little to sci-fi, but why not implant a tracking device in every kid a few days after they are born. There wont even be a shayla for those who dont wear a watch on shabbos where there is no eruv. In fact, you will be able to keep tabs on your teens as well. Want to make sure he is in the beis medrash instead of the bowling alley, activate the locater. Want to make sure your teenage daughter is really at her friend studying and not at the mall with the wrong crowd, its a good thing you implanted that locater.
I agree with the maniac. I think we are going a little bit to far here.July 22, 2011 5:18 am at 5:18 am #788499
I disagree, there is a time and a place for everything. Today we wonder how we managed before cell phones. Well I can tell you this, I didn’t allow my then teenage children to get into the car alone without a cell phone. That was the high tech device that I needed for my sense of security. That was the rule, if you take the car you take a cell phone and they didn’t use it to talk on like today it was too expensive and more respected, they had it in case of an emergency so you can call us right away.
There is nothing wrong with using whatever technology is available for the sake of safety and peace of mind. If that is what a parent feels will give them peace of mind when a child is walking alone somewhere, or when a child is first allowed to walk home alone, or till they reach a certain age where a parent is more secure that they know how to ask for help or know better how to take care of themselves then why not? We are not handing out cell phones to kids so if this is something parents can do to keep track of their children then why not? Obviously if a parent is trying to track a teen, the teen will not wear it, so that argument is worthless.July 22, 2011 10:06 am at 10:06 am #788500jmj613Participant
but really now whats with shabbes?many ortodox people dont wear watches and not only ones with batt(which i heard are muktze).Kids can get lost shabbes too. what will we do then? i think that during the school year it must be important to walk the child to the bus and to wait for the bus when kids coming back. This has nothing to do with tracking etc. Till what age? good question i dont know. the question is also what do you tellyour kids when they grow older? like 9 or 10 you will not be able to keep it as a secret that he/she has a tracking device on him and if they decide to take it off?July 22, 2011 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #788501
I’m sorry, but you’re responses sound very sarcastic. After a child is lost and then murdered I do not see anything wrong with looking for extra measures to protect our children. Would you rather take another chance, c’v, having a child get lost? Would you be willing to bet your child’s life or that of your niece or nephew or grandchild? No one is suggesting hiring a private off duty cop. A gps locator device could protect a child venturing out for the first couple of times/months. I cannot tell you how many mothers and I have spoken about our worries (for years, not just the past week) of or kid getting snatched in a park where we may not see them for a moment.July 22, 2011 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #788502bombmaniacParticipant
why dont you take a step back and look at this thread as a detached third party…July 22, 2011 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #788503
Maybe it’s a matter of knowing our kids and what developmental level they are up to. I have a toddler who is a runner. Even his playgroup Morah told us to use a leash with him outdoors. Twice he bolted into the street, once in front of an oncoming car. It would be impractical to use a “leash” in a park where the point is to have them run. Thus, the Teddy bear clip comes into play. Not that I would use it to substitute watching my kids (I’m on them like a hawk), but I’d know if I’m running after one I could check on another at a moments notice. That’s me. The tracking device could be misused to track before needed or once kids have earned their independence. But what about between 8-12, when kids are being trained?July 22, 2011 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #788505jmj613Participant
I too agree that some more needs to b done but hundreds of questiond come up that pashut need to b discussedJuly 22, 2011 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #788506charliehallParticipant
“First of all, Leiby a’h, left day camp around 4:50. He was supposed to meet his mother 10 minutes later. He walked for over half an hour before meeting the wrong person.”
An inexpensive cell phone would have had the potential to save Leiby’s life. Much simpler than a GPS is just to have mom on speed dial.July 22, 2011 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #788507
True, but the issue is phones can be lost. Watches which are generally not removed, are usually not.July 22, 2011 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #788508
Obviously the choice is up to each parent/family to decide how to handle peace of mind in their own homes.
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