September 30, 2020 10:33 am at 10:33 am #1905723Reb EliezerParticipant
Stand Up and Stand By. Not condemning them rather endorsing them thereby encouraging more anti-semitism.September 30, 2020 1:14 pm at 1:14 pm #1905783
hes saying “stand up” meaning if you want to have you opinion you have the right to express it but “stand by” dont commit crimes and acts of violence
while by antifa you have democrats e.g biden refusing to condemn their violence and even denying the existence of antifaSeptember 30, 2020 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #1905787
Biden downplayed ANTIFA; said it’s an idea. ANTIFA is worse. They are funded by soros.September 30, 2020 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #1905788besalelParticipant
Wallace: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other extremist groups. Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland?
Trump: **Sure, I’m willing to do that.**
Wallace: Are you prepared to specifically—?
Biden: Do it.
Trump: I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing.
Wallace: So what are you saying?
Trump: I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.
Wallace: Well, then do it, sir.
Biden: Say it. Do it. Say it.
Trump: You want to call them—what do you want to call them? Give me a name. Give me a name.
Wallace: White supremacists and—
Trump: Who would you like me to condemn?
Biden: Proud Boys.
Wallace: —and Proud Boys.
Biden: Proud Boys.
Trump: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what, I’ll tell you what. Somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left. Because this is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem.September 30, 2020 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1905798mobile246Participant
But… he’s the biggest “Ohev Yisrael [that] has done more for the jews than any other president still alive” … :mild_shock:September 30, 2020 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #1905806
Who cares? He moved the embassy…. He commuted Rubashkin’s sentence…
Lets enable authoritarian rule, and ravage the democracy this country once was, all because this particular authoritarian occasionally does something to please the Jewish voter.September 30, 2020 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #1905830
Trump was unable to condemn white supremacists. The choice is crystal clear, he is a danger to our democracy and our country. The Proud Boys/Neo Nazis are celebrating this morning that’s all one needs to know. How can anyone who believes in democracy support this!!!!September 30, 2020 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1905835simcha2uParticipant
He is definitely a risk to our democracy. The end of the debate scared me the most as he sounds like he will not relinquish the presidency no matter how the vote comes out. Is Trump the next Putin?September 30, 2020 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #1905836
I’d urge you to do some research before you believe exactly what the media wants you to think. “The Proud Boys” are a group of Americans from all races who believe in constitutional values. They aren’t Alt-Right, and they disavow any alt-right members. You can find this information on their website, which is buried deep in the google search results. They aren’t anti-semitic, or racist and neither is their founder Gavin McInnes.
I used to listen to Gavin McInnes’ political humor before he founded the proud boys. I can tell you that he’s far less likely to be anti-semitic than the average leftist on a college campus.
We live in times when ppl call the DENIAL of the “right” to kill babies in the womb a human rights violation, when men can be women and women, men, and a time when those who commit crimes are hailed as heroes by the media and the left. Why would you take their word for anything? Do some research. No, I don’t support the proud boys as a group, but at least do your research. Trump knows them as a group who stands up to violent Antifa members and supports the constitution.
Where is the Yiddish Kup in all of this? Do we not think critically anymore?September 30, 2020 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #1905838
If you know anything about the democrats, it’s them who you should be worried about. Look at NY and its authoritarian government. Trump is NOT an anti semite, but even if he supported them, ALL Americans are better off with a government that stays out of their business rather than one that encroaches on personal freedoms.September 30, 2020 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1905845
The only ones who are trying to drastically change this country, who don’t respect the constitution or individual freedoms, are the Democratic Left.
It’s scary how much you can ignore the destruction of communities, murder of innocent people (white and black, who DIDN’T commit crimes) and blindly follow what the media tells you.September 30, 2020 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1905857Reb EliezerParticipant
He said, stand back and stand by. Wait until I need you. I misquoted above his statement.September 30, 2020 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #1905939
“Stand by” is a directive to be ready when he calls on you to commit violence for him. They have already done so without being so prompted. One was arrested TODAY in Portland on 12 charges including multiple felonies; they had gone to Portland to create violence that the Trump cult could blame on Antifa (which isn’t even an organization). In 2018, two had been convicted of rioting right here in NYC. Basically, Trump has now made Proud Boys his version of Mussolini’s Blackshirts. Do not think that they won’t eventually get around to attacking synagogues.
The founder of Proud Boys, Gavin McInnes, is an open holocaust denier. Yet a commenter here has the chutzpah to claim that he isn’t anti-Semitic? Trump himself repeatedly spouts nonsense about Jewish money and dual loyalty; Ilhan Omar spouts the same nonsense so Trump is in the same category as Omar yet Trump’s cult rages against Omar while defending their cult leader.
Jewish Trump supporters need to wake up. This is Italy in the 1920s. Except that Trump is far more supportive of anti-Semites than Mussolini was in the early fascist era. And the anti-Semites are for Trump. (Yeah, David Duke endorsed him again.)October 1, 2020 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1905972ruvainParticipant
I really have to wonder what some of these people did on yontif. They obvously did not read the prayers nor did they get anything from the liturgy they read. It looks like some of these people attended services that were led by a Rabbi not with a white kittel but with a white hood. Is there now a White Supremacists Shul now? Sounds like there is a new movememt. WHen the Proud Boys come by your Succah carrying tikee tourches make sure you invite them in with open arms and make sure you drink the kool-aid they are offering you.October 1, 2020 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1905974
“The Proud Boys is a far-right neo-fascist male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence. It is based in the United States and has a presence in Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom.” Wikipedia
Yup-white supremacistsOctober 1, 2020 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1905979MilhouseParticipant
Charliehall lies through his teeth yet again. Gavin McInnes is NOT an antisemite, and NOT a Holocaust denier. There’s nothing antisemitic about the Proud Boys. The idea that they are a “hate group” comes from the awful, despicable SPLC. Anyone connected with or quoting SPLC is an awful person. Hall probably gives them money.
Trump may spout nonsense about many topics, but not about Jews; not even Charliehall can actually believe Trump is antisemitic, he’s just lying about it as usual.
And no, the antisemites are overwhelmingly for Biden. Not that that should make any difference; neither candidate can control whom these people support, let alone whom they mischievously publicly endorse.October 1, 2020 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1905980Chaim EliezerParticipant
The international chairman of the Proud Boys is a black Cuban named Enrique Tarrio. Somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of the membership is black or Hispanic. They are Western Civilization chauvinists, perhaps, but not white supremacists.October 1, 2020 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1905981
“Trump was unable to condemn white supremacists. The choice is crystal clear, he is a danger to our democracy and our country. The Proud Boys/Neo Nazis are celebrating this morning that’s all one needs to know. How can anyone who believes in democracy support this!!!!”
a bunch of blatant hypocrites WHO was the one refusing the results of last election
WHO was the one that create the russian hoax and the attempted coup
WHO was the party the made a completely partisan impeachment over obviously false chargesOctober 1, 2020 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1905983
“Lets enable authoritarian rule, and ravage the democracy this country once was, all because this particular authoritarian occasionally does something to please the Jewish voter.”
it seems like you dont know this but authoritarian means favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
it seems like a lot of you need to go back to 1st gradeOctober 1, 2020 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1905997
From the ADL. The Proud Boys=White Supremacists!
Ideology: Primarily alt lite: Misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic and anti-immigration. Some members espouse white supremacist and anti-Semitic ideologies and/or engage with white supremacist groups.
Membership: Unknown, likely several hundred.
Notable characteristics: Members frequently wear black and yellow Fred Perry polo shirts.
Global footprint: Proud Boys have chapters in most states and several international chapters in Britain, Norway and Australia.
Membership: Controlled by local chapter leadership and subject to initiation rituals.
Tactics: Public rallies and protests. Members have been known to engage in violent tactics; several members have been convicted of violent crimes.October 1, 2020 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1906001Amil ZolaParticipant
In 2017 Gavin McInnis taped a video entitled ’10 Things I hate about the Jews.
I’ve seen the PBs, 3%s and Oath Keepers up close and personal when they descended on my town (I do not live in the Ptlnd metro area). I can assure you their gear and vehicles are decked out in the symbols of the nazi’s. Gavin himself claims the holocaust never happened. He claims that the numbers of dead Jews are inflated none were intentionally exterminated.October 1, 2020 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1906006jewishcommonsenseParticipant
no one is more scary, voilent, and anti semitic than the dems. from the NYC gov to all other Biden supportors.October 1, 2020 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1906008
Violence and destruction over the past few months have come almost exclusively from the Left.October 1, 2020 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1906012stevehynesParticipant
charlie hall= stop babbling like an idiot!!!October 1, 2020 9:45 am at 9:45 am #1906177
You literally just copied and pasted the very first definition of “authoritarian” that comes up on Google. If you had to google the term, perhaps you should re-do first grade with me.
As you’ve proved yourself so capable with Google, may I suggest you search the term again, and actually read up Wikipedia’s full page on Authoritarianism and it’s variations?October 1, 2020 9:45 am at 9:45 am #1906178
There is a widely available video of Gavin McInnes from March 2017, in which he says “I felt myself defending the super far-right Nazis just because I was sick of so much brainwashing and I felt like going, ‘Well, they never said it didn’t happen. What they’re saying is it was much less than six million and that they starved to death and weren’t gassed, that they didn’t have supplies,”
He also uploaded a video titled “10 Things I Hate About Jews,” which was subsequently retitled as “10 Things I Hate About Israel.”October 2, 2020 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1906529Yserbius123Participant
I’m not a Trumpkopf, but I feel like this was super misrepresented. If you hear the whole conversation it goes something like this:
Moderator: Why don’t you tell white supremacists to stand down?
Trump: Which ones? Give me a name.
M: The Proud Boys.
T: OK. Stand down. Stand by.October 2, 2020 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #1906537
Take a look at the Proud Boys response to Trumps non condemnation at the debate. They understood where he stands loud and clear. His rhetoric emboldens them and endangers all of us.October 2, 2020 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #1906544bk613Participant
“From the ADL. The Proud Boys=White Supremacists!”
Why don’t you go check how the ADL describes antifa.October 2, 2020 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1906542se2015Participant
Yserbius – I agree with that. “Stand by” means either “show support” or more ominously in this context “await further commands,” but I don’t think Trump meant to say either. He wasn’t helped by his pivot to insisting that the problem is antifa because it made it sound like he was telling his troops to be on stand by, but again, he didn’t seem to mean it that way. Truth is, “stand down” is not the appropriate phrase either. It implies that proud boys are your thugs that you can command. He should have been asked to condemn them and disavow their support, not give them orders to stand down.
The real problem is that Trump craves adulation and has shown time and again that he cannot bring himself to disavow the most odious supporters. It takes a lot of blowback and follow up lies until he can utter the words, which then comes across like a little kid being forced to say sorry when not at all sorry. In the meantime, his kkk and white supremacist supporters see all of the delays and hesitancy as proof that he is on their side, which by the way is on him. As with everything Trump, it’s hard to say for sure when he’s intentional, opportunistic, ego-driven, or just plain lucky, or all of the above. I would bet he doesn’t know either. He’s not exactly the self reflective kind.October 4, 2020 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #1906611GadolhadorahParticipant
SE2015: I think you very accurately characterize the problem. He is narcissistic beyond any degree we have ever seen with a world leader (including some of the worst in modern history) and is seemingly incapable of processing the meaning and effects of his words. His sick need for constant adulation restricts any ability to push back against even the most racist groups who show up with a MAGA hat. His constant denial of “knowing” anything about the hateful agendas of those whose support he accepts, from David Duke to the Proud Boys defies both logic and reality.October 5, 2020 5:36 am at 5:36 am #1906819
To the Libs here:
In your Sick Utopia, you deny Facts!
The right wing are more Bark than Bite.
Just look at the destruction the Left Loonies caused this year alone – I’ll just name a Few – Portland, Louisville, Milwaukee & NYC.
But keep on dreaming that the prob in this country is the Neo-nazis, Not the Left Loonies!October 5, 2020 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #1907003anonymous JewParticipant
4 days ago at the daily White House briefing, Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany listed the 13 occasions since August 29 alone that President Trump condemned white supremacy in general and specific organizations i e. the KKK. Yet that wasn’t good enough for the press ; John Roberts asked her to do it again.October 5, 2020 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #1907059
“Gavin McInnes is NOT an antisemite, and NOT a Holocaust denier. ”
As Quayboardwarrior points out, he is on video denying the Holocaust. He also blamed Jews for Stalin’s crimes against humanity. I would post a link except that the moderators would not allow it.
I am not the liar here.October 5, 2020 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #1907061
“Trump may spout nonsense about many topics, but not about Jews”
So you think that Trump’s memes about dual loyalty and obsession with money aren’t nonsense?
Maybe YOU are the anti-Semite.October 5, 2020 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1907065
“charlie hall= stop babbling like an idiot!!!”
I see that the people who don’t like what I wrote are unable to offer any response other than namecalling and *ad hominem* attacks. Just like Trump.
So I am going to point out something else that will make the TrumpJews squirm even more. In 2016, Trump supported an actual neo-Nazi, Paul Nehlen, in his congressional primary against Paul Ryan. That’s right, an neo-Nazi was Trump’s preference against the most far right wing Speaker of the US House of Representatives in over a century.
The TrumpJews are supporting a supporter and enabler of anti-Semites and white supremacists.October 5, 2020 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #1907066
“In your Sick Utopia, you deny Facts!”
I have been posting facts. The TrumpJews are the deniers.October 5, 2020 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #1907070
“the antisemites are overwhelmingly for Biden”
David Duke endorsed Trump in 2016 and again in 2020.October 5, 2020 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #1907074
“If you know anything about the democrats, it’s them who you should be worried about.”
I invite you to view the “A Storm is Brewing in Rockland” video that the Rockland County Republican Party produced a year ago. Leni Riefenstahl would havre been proud. No local Democratic Party organization has ever produced anything remotely as anti-Semitic.
Or do you think that Jews in Rockland County deserve to be defamed with anti-Semitic slanders?October 6, 2020 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1907081
Oh Charlie -“I have been posting facts. The TrumpJews are the deniers.”
Yes, you have. But your facts are Irevelant!
My facts are Revelant:
“Just look at the destruction the Left Loonies caused this year alone – I’ll just name a Few – Portland, Louisville, Milwaukee & NYC.
But keep on dreaming that the prob in this country is the Neo-nazis, Not the Left Loonies!”October 6, 2020 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #1907448
Because the rioters may be left leaning, doesn’t mean all left leaning are rioters (or support rioting)
Joe Biden on May 31st:
“Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.”
On June 2nd:
“There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”
On August 30th:
“The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable .as a country we must condemn the incitement of hate and resentment that led to this deadly clash. It is not a peaceful protest when you go out spoiling for a fight.”
Yet the Republicans are so keen to say what you just did in order to besmirch the left. As Jason Miller, advisor to Trump so blatantly lied in the following statement:
“Joe Biden has sat idly by for months, refusing to condemn violence and chaos from his allies in Democrat-run cities.”October 6, 2020 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #1907458
I am curious it seems that a joint Press conference was held between one of the main chapters of Proud Boys & the local Chapter of BLM to jointly condemn white supremacy in all its forms.
The Proud Boys are currently led by a Latino (it seems) and a significant portion of the organization that Chris Wallace deems “white supremacists” are minorities.
I can not be certain of this since it seems what known as mainstream media organizations have not reported it.
So I am confused.
I am further confused about the fact that I heard that several of Trump’ senior advisors openly identify as Orthodox Jews including Ivanka Trump, Avi Berkowitz & Jared Kushner.
Adding to my confusion is the fact that it seems that Ivanka is called by the last name of Trump because she is his daughter.
Yet I was led to believe that Trump emboldens and dog whistles anti-semites.
Is that why he he is advised by Orthodox Jews?
I have gotten more confused by finding out that the widow of Stanley Chera recently held a fundraiser for Trump in her house.
This is really confusing.
Chera was an immigrant from an Arab country who died from Covid and he was an orthodox Jew.
I thought a) Trump hated immigrants b) he really hates immigrants from Arab countries c) He emboldens anti-semites d) He was the reason why people have died from Covid!
Yet the Chera family claims Trump & their father were best friends and thats why they had this fundraiser.
This is really confusing.
And it gets worse.
I recently found out that Trump actually moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and the Democrats all told me that was going to start a War!
Oy Vey so many Israelis happen to be Jews I was really scared.
Now though Israel just signed peace treaties with two Arab countries, and I heard more are on the way.
This is really confusing.
But the libs tell me that really the peace treaties are dangerous.
So I am trying to figure out does that mean War is less dangerous.
Oy and then I found out Melania, Trumps wife is an immigrant and I am really confused.
Oh well.October 6, 2020 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #1907462
So let me get this straight.
In one debate Biden claims aithoritevly ” I am the Democrat Party”
Then when asked if he ever called the Mayor of Portland telling him to clamp down on violence he response “No, I am a private citizen with no power”
Thats condemning violence.
Great he showed how it’s done.October 6, 2020 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #1907510
Quad -“Because the rioters may be left leaning, doesn’t mean all left leaning are rioters (or support rioting)”
“Then when asked if he ever called the Mayor of Portland telling him to clamp down on violence he response “No, I am a private citizen with no power”
So you see – it’s just being PC, but the Democrats love the Anarchy! They think that will put them in Power!
That’s their main goal.October 7, 2020 9:27 am at 9:27 am #1907647
Biden had year to condemn ANTIFA and doesn’t mind NFAC.October 7, 2020 10:23 am at 10:23 am #1907650
There are Black members of Proud Boys. Chris Wallace and Biden are on the same team.October 7, 2020 1:21 pm at 1:21 pm #1907752
I’m not sure why this needs to even be said but Biden isn’t the president. It’s not for him to call Mayor’s and tell them what they should or shouldn’t do.October 7, 2020 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1907814
Actually according to Joe Biden he is the Democrat Party”
So he shouldn’t at least call members of the party he leads and sets policy for to tell them anything?October 7, 2020 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1907816
As for Joe Biden.
There is a famous exchange he had back in 1982 with Menachem Begin.
He told Begin either do what the USA wants or aid will be cut off.
Begin replied. “I am not a shtetl Jew, and in the Camps no one helped us, and build our land was done with no ones help and now we will protect ourselves with or without your help”.
I guess you can say Biden tried to pull a “Burisma” on him.
Yet some some are arguing that Trump “emboldens” anti-semites.
( I do not endorse Begins words in any way for Hashkafic reasons, however The Satmar Rebbe’s words about the difference between a Jew opposed to the State and a non-Jew seemingly apply here)October 7, 2020 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #1907941☕️coffee addictParticipant
You got me laughing with your “confusion”
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.