December 15, 2021 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #2042198
Now that the topic of Jan 6 is coming up again I just want to ask a question to those posters who believe Trump incited the Capital Riot.
I believe that Trump never told his supporters to storm the capital and he even told them to be peaceful but I also believe that his rhetoric about the election was dishonest and his words riled people up.
Now a question for you guys:
Do you believe that by saying that, through their healthcare policies Republicans want to kill/are killing people, Bernie Sanders incited the Congressional Baseball shooter to do what he did. (Keep in mind the shooter was a big supporter of Bernie and he showed up to the Republican practice, shouted “THIS IS FOR HEALTHCARE” and shot Steve Scalise almost to death!)
I believe neither incited but their rhetoric wasn’t ok. Are you consistent or will you admit that it’s bad when Trump does something but OK when a Dem does it?December 15, 2021 10:01 pm at 10:01 pm #2042201
I’m genuinely curious and I’m not looking to start an argument.December 16, 2021 12:15 am at 12:15 am #2042206GadolhadorahParticipant
1. You sound more “bored” than “curious”.
2. Sanders (and other Dems) repeatedly said that Republican policies (primarily their opposition to some form of universal health care) was resulting in the deaths of many Americans who were unable to accesss affordable health care. He never said Republicans “want to kill people”.December 16, 2021 12:28 am at 12:28 am #2042218
1. If that’s an assumption you want to make then go ahead. Personally, I disagree.
Also, is there a reason that you start every post with a put down?
2. My point was that the inflammatory rhetoric comes from both sides but only gets attention when it’s the Republicans. You don’t seem to disagree that inflammatory rhetoric was used.December 16, 2021 2:36 am at 2:36 am #2042220
The differences between what Trump supporters did on January 6th and what a Sander’s supporter did is obvious.
One of them is, the words of some of the Trump supporters, as they get thrown into jail, saying that they believed that they were following their President’s wishes to storm the capitol. The guy who shot Scalise was a domestic terrorist who was not following Sander’s wishes.
The Scalise attack is similar to the Gabby Giffords attack in 2011.
Sander’s has been consistent in his views for the past 50 years and he believes in Health coverage for all American’s. A very laudable concept.December 16, 2021 8:40 am at 8:40 am #2042299🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Jackk – fair point but I think that’s a different question.
The question was about politicians inciting violence with rhetoric. It’s a question on the ill response of individuals to the words of the politicians.December 16, 2021 9:49 am at 9:49 am #2042324DBSParticipant
This is something Ben Shapiro has talked about forever. The rhetoric has been squeezed dry out of this one.December 16, 2021 10:43 am at 10:43 am #2042342
The media machine is very powerful. They can create a whole reality in which even those who disagree with them end up within the same framework.
Right after the elections, many people spoke about the oddities. The media create a narrative of how dangerous that talk is, how absurd it is and a big lie. They did this without outright arguing the case, for then you would simply disagree. They went way past this and used these ideas for the backdrop of future discussions.
This causes everyone to be ashamed to ever bring it up. It is hard to make an informed decision in such an environment. But at least keep an eye out to these methods and don’t fall prey.
To me it seems that the whole Jan6 committee was created for thus purpose — to stamp out any remnants of the annoying election critics, that isn’t dying fast enough. Notice that nothing was ever put out to directly contradict the claims, just counter-lawsuits, arrests, service denials, committees, and ridicule.December 16, 2021 10:44 am at 10:44 am #2042343ujmParticipant
Democrats are hypocrites. What else is new? This has been the case for the last 75 years, already.December 16, 2021 10:45 am at 10:45 am #2042346
Bored teen -“Now that the topic of Jan 6 is coming up again I just want to ask a question to those posters who believe Trump incited the Capital Riot.”
Who says it was Trump that started any Riot?
The guy who shot Scalise was a Left wing Nut Job.
I posted in Jan. that the Riot was started by Antifa paid by Leftists.
I wrote that I saw 5 vans pulling up to the Capitol in the Morning escorted by police.
I wouldn’t have believed it, except I saw a Video proving it!
Also picture of Pelosi SiL talking to Shaman.
What were they talking about?
He was paid to start a Riot.
Because some members of Congress were interested in Not Certified Biden’s win because of possible election corruption.
What better way to distract them than to create a Riot?!?
After all, it’s the MO of the Left to Riot, not the Right wing!
The whole year before that – all the Left did was Riot.
Antifa & BLM are their Tools.
Yes there should be investigations – Did Biden win the Election without Fraud?!?
Was Jan. 6 Riot started by the Left?!?December 16, 2021 11:54 am at 11:54 am #2042374yaakov doeParticipant
Can you explain why Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz are so concerned about those supposed ANTFA thugs in the DC jail? Are they in favor of having ANTFA criminals free to incite?December 16, 2021 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #2042443☕️coffee addictParticipant
“I wouldn’t have believed it, except I saw a Video proving it!“
You can’t believe videos anymore
I saw a video of African kids running and the narrator said they’re running away from the vaccine and then when there’s 18 seconds left it shows the same kids replayedDecember 16, 2021 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #2042487
The issue with Trump’s incitement, as I see it, was that he stood in front of the rioters knowing that they will march on the Capitol and start a fight. He stood there and encouraged them to “go fight”, even if he meekly said “peacefully” once or twice.
Bernie never told a crowd ready to riot that they need to “take care of those Republicans” or whatever.December 16, 2021 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #2042525
> Bernie never told a crowd ready to riot that they need to “take care of those Republicans”
Fair. Just because he did not have an opportunity. History of last 100 years: whenever socialists had a chance to take power by violence, they did or tried. US political system somehow survived when every European and South American country had revolutions. Appreciate it.December 16, 2021 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #2042542
“The issue with Trump’s incitement, as I see it, was that he stood in front of the rioters knowing that they will march on the Capitol and start a fight.”
How can he know what no one else knew? Nobody what suspected large scale trespass, which is evident from the lack of defence. From your own team you’d expect it even less.December 16, 2021 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #2042544
“Fair. Just because he did not have an opportunity. History of last 100 years: whenever socialists had a chance to take power by violence, they did or tried.”
That’s an argument against communism but doesn’t speak to this point.December 16, 2021 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #2042568
@HaLeivi The plan was always to head to the Capital. He even mentioned it a few times in the speech at the White House to the assembled crowd. Pretty much everyone expected a “large scale trespass”, but I’m not sure if anyone expected several people (including police officers) to die from it.December 16, 2021 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #2042597
not saying this happens all the time, but there were some cases:
March 2016: Donald Trump’s campaign on Friday postponed a rally in Chicago amid fights between supporters and demonstrators, protests in the streets and concerns that the environment at the event was no longer safe… Supporters of Trump still inside chanted “We want Trump” after the event was canceled….Others chanted “Bernie” as supporters whipped out Bernie Sanders campaign signs.
May 2016: Bernie Sanders Defends Supporters After Rowdy Protests In Nevada … Bernie Sanders is doubling down on accusations that the state party treated him unfairly, and he denies that his supporters were inciting violence. ..Sanders supporters, believing they had been treated unfairly, rushed the stage, threw chairs and were shouting obscenities, according to veteran Nevada journalist Jon Ralston. Even after the convention concluded, many refused to leave and had to be escorted out by security. Since then, Lange, the Nevada Democratic chairwoman, said she’s been receiving threats from Sanders supporters.December 16, 2021 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #2042600ujmParticipant
No one knew there would be trespassing. The official plan was to head to the Capital for a legal protest outside on public grounds.December 16, 2021 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #2042602mdd1Participant
HaLeivi ,do you know that the US Capitol was stormed and overrun on Jan. 6, 2021?
Trump did know they would do it? Anybody a little intelligent should have seen that it totally could happen.December 16, 2021 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #2042617
mdd1, are you not afraid to be arrested soon? You claim you knew it in advance – and you did not inform anyone?!December 16, 2021 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #2042644
CA -“You can’t believe videos anymore”
You’re right when it comes to Hollywood Movies.
Also you’re right when MNN shows something – they are biased with their Political agenda and Lies.
But the video of 5 Vans of Antifa with Police escort was just from a Bystander.
They figured that the Dumb Americans won’t figure out how they did this Insurrection against President Trump.
It looks like they’re Right – So far.
The Left hated Trump so much that they demonstrated right when he won the election the first time.
Screaming -“Not my President “.
Then for 3 years they made up a Story called -” Russian Collusion “.
When that Failed and another Election is coming up – what do you think their Next Step is?!?
Obviously to Steal it.
And when some in Congress didn’t want to certify the election on Jan. 6 without an investigation whether the election was stolen or not.
What do you think these Leftist Commies next step would be?
How about making a diversion with a Riot and Blaming Trump.
And then with their Ill – Gotten Power make a Congressional Investigation.
You could say – I’m spouting a Conspiracy theory.
“The proof I just posted – Here it is again:
The Left hated Trump so much that they demonstrated right when he won the election the first time.
Screaming -“Not my President “.
Then for 3 years they made up a Story called -” Russian Collusion “.
When that Failed and another Election is coming up – what do you think their Next Step is?!?”December 16, 2021 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #2042637
YD -“Can you explain why Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz are so concerned about those supposed ANTFA thugs in the DC jail? Are they in favor of having ANTFA criminals free to incite?”
No they arrested the Trump supporters. That was their Evil plan.
The only one that got a big jail time was the Guy with the Horns – Angeli.
He was the leader.
To make it look that it wasn’t Antifa who started the Riot, he agreed to let him be put in Jail.
I wonder how many Millions Pelosi Son in Law agreed to pay him.
Unless you really think that they were having a Heart to Heart on the Morning of Jan. 6?!?December 19, 2021 9:12 am at 9:12 am #2043016
More Liberal lies from the king of Liberal lies (you)!
Antifa running the protest was a false flag fake news by Bernie Sanders supporting Liberals like you just outed yourself to be! It was organized and run by a majority of Trump supporters, the videos back it up!
The guy with the horns isn’t even named Angeli, his name is Jacob Chansley!
When will you stop and wake up?!December 19, 2021 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm #2043108
Yesr -“The guy with the horns isn’t even named Angeli, his name is Jacob Chansley!”
He goes by multiple names.
Just like you with your SN’s.
“Antifa running the protest was a false flag fake news by Bernie Sanders supporting Liberals like you just outed yourself to be! It was organized and run by a majority of Trump supporters, the videos back it up!”
All you Libs do is Lie & Steal Elections.
Answer this Mr. Lib – Why were 5 vans accompanied by police vehicles pulled up to the Capitol on the morning of Jan. 6?
Why did police officers open the gates protecting the Capitol and Waving people in?
Yes, they waved in the Trump Supporters after Antifa broke in!
I’ll tell you why – the Demoncrat Leadership was very Scared that there were a Few Congressmen/women & Senators that would demand an Investigation into accusations of Stealing before Certifying the election!
How to Stop it:
Hire 5 vans of Antifa to make a Riot & Blame it on the Trump Supporters.
They did a Good Job, but not everyone in this Country fell for their Con Job.
I didn’t fall & a few Cons also didn’t fall.
But what I learned is any Country can Turn Fascist Overnite, even the Most free Country that ever was in the World.
I’m shocked that this happened, you can’t Rely on anyone besides Hashem!December 19, 2021 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #2043178
I’ve come across some odd and disturbing details, too. However, once you let yourself into conspiracy land, it is a bottomless pit. There is nothing stopping you from going completely wild.
I’d rather obediently wear a mask every other Tuesday night, than to start free-falling into the conspiracy hole.December 19, 2021 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #2043188
I think the country is heading down the path to a civil war. Biden was elected under the impression that he was a uniter but that is not the case. The claim that 1/6/21 was some type of coup doesn’t make sense as no one except the police were armed with firearms. The only one shot was an unarmed veteran.
In the meantime the democtrats are firing members of the police and armed forces who refuse to be vaccinated. Biden has put in place mandates which will deny them the ability to get new jobs. Do you think they are going to sit around and do nothing.
This is very similiar to Germany in the 1920s. Remember that the Nazis won in 1933 even with intimadation and counting the votes, they were only able to get 43.9% of the votes. While Biden won 51% of the vote vs Trump 47% in the election, his current polls is 38%.
The midterm elections are in less than a year away. The question is are democrats and independents tired of the lawlessness that they will vote for Republicans.December 19, 2021 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #2043256charliehallParticipant
“when every European and South American country had revolutions”
No socialist revolution in South America succeeded. And the ones that succeeded in Europe were only because of the Soviet Army.
Meanwhile, every South American country has had a right wing dictatorship installed at the point of a gun. Ditto over a dozen countries in Europe.
Socialists have ruled many countries in Europe, usually with quite a bit of success. Oh, and Israel too.December 19, 2021 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #2043259
Abba_S> Do you think they are going to sit around and do nothing.
I would suggest disaggregate the fact that Biden is not working out as President – that 60% of the country agrees with – and resistance of some gov workers to vaccine mandates (usually 5% of those).
While it is true that mandates make Biden even weaker political, we don’t have to play partisan games here on either side and discuss issues as we see them.December 19, 2021 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #2043309mdd1Participant
Abba S, denial is not a place in Egypt. The Capitol police almost did not use their firearms. The Trump supporters beat up the police and forced their way in. Enough already.December 19, 2021 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #2043311🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
“but I’m not sure if anyone expected several people (including police officers) to die from it”
That’s good, cuz they didn’t. Please tell me you don’t still think more than one person died. And please don’t tell me Brian was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. An awful lie that some never retracted. Sickos stooping so low to get news.December 20, 2021 10:14 am at 10:14 am #2043396
What a load of Lib!
Do you think Trump was just going to let Biden waltz into the White House on January Sixth?
Antifa is an invention of Communists. There are Communists (Soviets) and Fascists (Nazis). Those opposed to the Nazis are the Antifa. It’s Stalin and Hitler but I choose Hashem.
“the Demoncrat Leadership was very Scared ” Because you conned them with your Liberal Lies!
” I didn’t fall & a few Cons also didn’t fall.” So you admit that your just another lying liberal con artist!December 20, 2021 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm #2043431
(Re – Jackk – fair point but I think that’s a different question.
The question was about politicians inciting violence with rhetoric. It’s a question on the ill response of individuals to the words of the politicians.)
My point is that what his supporters who are in jail are saying is that is what they understood he was telling them. That is not political rhetoric that is a call to violence.
(Re: Right after the elections, many people spoke about the oddities. The media create a narrative of how dangerous that talk is, how absurd it is and a big lie. )
First of all there were no oddities after the election.
The bizarre conspiracy theories were all made up out of thin air by the master conman. In the year since the election, not one actionable fraud has been presented.
All the claims were DIRECTLY countered and DENIED. The billion dollar lawsuits by Dominion (which they are going to win) and the punishment of Trump’s lawyer’s has proven that.
(Re – No one knew there would be trespassing. The official plan was to head to the Capital for a legal protest outside on public grounds.)
That is what most people thought the plan was. There were a few core supporters who knew that the plan was to attack the Capital and they were prepared with everything needed.
There is documentation on this aspect also.
Four alleged leaders of the Proud Boys have been indicted in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol over allegedly conspiring, including in discussions on encrypted messaging apps, to obstruct the certification of President Biden’s Electoral College victory. Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, Zach Rehl and Charles Donohoe
If there is a civil war, it is from the side that tried to overthrow the Biden government.
You should be listening to the documentation from the Jan6 commission , you will learn a lot.
There is a power point presentation which was distributed on how to overthrow the duly elected President of the US .
That is why it is called a coup.December 20, 2021 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #2043473
Yesr -“Do you think Trump was just going to let Biden waltz into the White House on January Sixth?”
Why do you keep lying?
If he told some Proud Boys to riot – then he’s as Smart as You!
The fact is Trump wanted to let the People demand an investigation.
He didn’t even go to the Riot.
So it wasn’t his plan.
But you DemonCrats have a commission to try to Blame him, just like for 3 years Screaming “Russian Collusion”!
“Antifa is an invention of Communists. There are Communists (Soviets) and Fascists (Nazis). Those opposed to the Nazis are the Antifa.”
This line shows that you don’t Know the meaning of Fascist.
Yes – the Antifa were hired by the DemonCrats to make a Riot to Stop any Investigation on the 2020 Election!
I posted this to you before – “Answer this Mr. Lib – Why were 5 vans accompanied by police vehicles pulled up to the Capitol on the morning of Jan. 6?
Why did police officers open the gates protecting the Capitol and Waving people in?”
I’m still waiting for an Answer, but I don’t think I’ll get one!
First “Russian Collusion”; Now we have Election Stopping Coup.
When will you DemonCrats stop with your False Flags?!?December 20, 2021 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #2043520
(If anyone is thinking I’m serious, I’m just raitzing Health on using his own lashoinois.December 20, 2021 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #2043562
I have been accused of being in De Nile. although I have never been in Eygpt in my life. But I still don’t understand how you can call it a coup or insurrection when the people demonstrating are unarmed. And are going against armed police. Do you realy think the armed forces wouldn’t stand up for the duly elected government?
As far as the 1/6 commission is concerned, it’s a hatchet job trying to discredit Trump like the Impeachment. So anything produce by it is suspect of being partisan. If there was anything to it, the Justice Department would have indicted Trump.December 20, 2021 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #2043579
Yesr -“(If anyone is thinking I’m serious, I’m just raitzing Health on using his own lashoinois.”
LOL. Tell me was this also a joke when you wrote this?
“The plan was always to head to the Capital. He even mentioned it a few times in the speech at the White House to the assembled crowd. Pretty much everyone expected a “large scale trespass”, but I’m not sure if anyone expected several people (including police officers) to die from it.”
Excuse me, the one cop who died because he wasn’t fit for the Job.
I guess that’s why they join the Capitol PD, no real Crime fighting, just Dunkin Donuts.
You’re right no one expected the Capitol PD to use Violence on the Rioters.
Especially when all over the Country the Feds went out of their way to Not use violence against the Rioters all during the 2020 Riots!
Seems to have different application when it comes to the Right Wing, as opposed to the Left Wing.
Now I know why the Framers had to put that in the Constitution – Equal Justice under the Law!December 21, 2021 10:18 am at 10:18 am #2043719
More Lib lies! I never meant that and you know it!
Perhaps you can explain why horn guy was seen at many Trump rallies waving pro-Trump flags BEFORE January 6th?
You should check out the uncut video of the full seven hours from the Trump speech to the Capital break-in. That proves how right I am and how much the liberals like you are lying and making stuff up.December 21, 2021 10:52 am at 10:52 am #2043732
“(If anyone is thinking I’m serious, I’m just raitzing Health on using his own lashoinois.”.
Please add all of his leshoinos to your repertoire – such as DEMONratS , demoncRATs RATs RAT RAT …December 21, 2021 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #2043778
Yesr -“You should check out the uncut video of the full seven hours from the Trump speech to the Capital break-in. That proves how right I am and how much the liberals like you are lying and making stuff up.”
Let me ask you something – Are you being paid to go to websites to make sure no one finds out the Truth about the Stolen Election & that the DemonCrats started a Riot on Jan. 6 to Pin it on Trump?!?
Unfortunately for you, some of us are Smart and figured out their Hideous Plan!
All those who believe that it was Trump, let me tell you something – it’s Not the M.O. of the Right Wing to make Riots.
Whose M.O. is it – that made Riots all of 2020?!?
“Perhaps you can explain why horn guy was seen at many Trump rallies waving pro-Trump flags BEFORE January 6th?”
I posted this before:
He’s a paid Rioter.
He goes to Trump rallies & to BLM rallies.
Whoever pays him – either the Left or the Right.
Go Back to Sleep!
Unless you’re part of the Gang that’s Trying to Turn this Country into a Commy State!December 21, 2021 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #2043831
Someone previously called your statements so outrageous that he believed that you are a troll.
They are so far from reality that there is no universe that they have any connection to.
You make things up and back them up with more made up things and back those up with yelling and screaming and name calling.December 21, 2021 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #2043837
@Health What a typical democRAT thing to say!
Biden didn’t stage a PROTEST. TRUMP did! Did you think that he would let your party of LIARS take over the White House?!
Who was at the protest?
watch the whole 4 hour video by the guy who did the thing on that website
It wasn’t BIDEN protesting and it wasn’t a RIOT that’s the lie that they are trying to make stick!
your comunism will never win in Hashem’s UNITED STATES!December 21, 2021 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #2043850
Yesr -“Biden didn’t stage a PROTEST. TRUMP did! Did you think that he would let your party of LIARS take over the White House?!”
Your posts are getting more & more incoherent!
Again he wanted the people that support him to demand an investigation on the 2020 election.
Do really think he thought a bunch of Lunatics, that are a small part of his supporters, to be able to take over the US Government?
If he cared that much that to make sure that DemonCrats won’t be running the Congress & the Executive Branch – he had months to do it.
All he had to do was get rid of Joint Chiefs of Staff.
He was very popular with the Rest of the Armed Forces.
I wish he did make a Marshal Law Rule.
But he thought that would be the End of Democracy.
He was very Mistaken.
Letting the DemonCrats take over was Much Worse!
If they get the Guy from W. Virginia to go along with their BBB legislation, that will be the end of the Middle Class.
This will be the Preload to Communism.
That’s why when the Media announced that Biden won, the Squad & Bernie got together.
They knew what Biden Really is!December 22, 2021 8:58 am at 8:58 am #2043961Reb EliezerParticipant
There is a difference between socialism and communism.December 22, 2021 10:34 am at 10:34 am #2043982
Health “Your posts are getting more and more incoherent”
Also Health “Preload to Communism” “Marshal Law Rule”
Anyhoo where was I? Oh yeah! Raitzing on and trolling by getting in the mud and wrestling a chazer!
You DemocRATS are all the Same!
“He wanted to demand an investigation”. Yes by Protesting that the Man from Delaware Is In the White House!
The End of Democracy Happened When People Like You Liberals Made Sure that the President who was Mandated by HEaven to be Precedent Wouldn’t Be Prezident!
You WANTED Biden To Rule!
You People Dont Like Trump!December 22, 2021 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #2044073
A coup and insurrection do not need weapons. Although they help.
A coup can be done by lawyers, boot-licking senators, representatives and executive branch administrative staff.
One of the documents that the commission has in hand is a 38 page powerpoint document titled “Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan” where all the options that they were planning to possibly use to overthrow the POTUS Joe Biden.
The document was received from Mark Meadows , Trumps COS.
” The DOJ would have indicted Trump. ” When do you want them to indict him ? Before they have all the facts?December 22, 2021 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #2044115
RebE > There is a difference between socialism and communism.
says a Hungarian refugee?! This is a line from a communist schoolbook.December 23, 2021 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #2044414
Jackk Basically you are admitting that you do not have enough evidence to convict. While you may not admit that it is just partisan bickering but since there is not enough evidence to convict that is what it is.
If the coup was done by the lawyers… why are the demonstraters being sentenced so harshly and none of the politcians sentenced? Can you name another coup taken place by demonstrators in which they were unarmed?
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